Personally, I have never been to JF. I don't specifically have a dog in that fight, although I also understand that when scarce foothill access to legal USFS trails is lost, it can't be a good thing for OHV exploration and recreation. Trails can be legal to use, but if we can't get to the trails legally, what's the difference?

I never intended to go there, but when I heard that Roxie Trost was considering citizen patrols there, I told her I might be interested, as it could end up defusing a big portion of the problem and reduce the justification some feel they have to support further regulations. That is, as long as Dave doesn't start thinking I'm just out to intimidate him, LOL! I would enjoy meeting some folks in JF, but if I never met Dave, it would be ok with me. We seem to be very much like oil and water, LOL!