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July 15, 2007 03:50PM
I can't agree with either of you on that issue. For certain, it will have an effect on legal riders in many areas. It will generate lots of revenue for the County. It will likely even discourage legal riders from staging in groups on public lands near legal designated limited use trails. It will no doubt result in some citations to people riding on large open tracts of private land that are unmarked, unposted, and unfenced. And it will require residents to buy a $155 permit before inviting friends over for a barbecue if any OHV's are present. It will allow a neighbor to call Code Enforcement on you, regardless of whether you have the permit or not. And it will publish your gatherings for nosy neighbors and invite the PC police to snoop on your private gatherings when they otherwise would never know it's going on.

I realize that most residents in Juniper Flats are only concerned about noise and dust. But those are already covered under existing ordinances and state laws. Some are only concerned about trespassing on their property. But every bit of that's already covered by California PC 602, and all they had to do was give Code Enforcement the authority to cite. 3973 does nothing whatsoever to curb defiant trespassers and those who retaliate with threats and violence. Nothing. I realize there is a particular problem with trespass on a few properties in JF, but it's not an issue on all large private lots in other parts of the County which bisect or isolate public lands suitable for OHV use.

There is good reason it's being challenged and reviewed. People who did not have any idea this had passed are now fully aware, and they recognize that it's going way beyond legal precedent already established here in California for over 150 years and the rest of the US for 230 years.

This was a perfectly peaceful conversation until Dave woke up. Thanks, Dave.
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