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July 18, 2007 10:45AM
That would depend upon whether the rider is actually attempting to run someone down, or attempting to "roost" a landowner with dirt from the rear wheels. I was led to believe by Dave that the incidents in JF were most assuredly attempts at harm, or worse. He provided an example from another area, where a landowner suffered a badly broken leg and a week or so in the hospital when confronting trespassers on OHV's. Law Enforcement was investigating and planning to charge the perps with felony assault and possibly attempted murder, if memory serves me correctly. Under such circumstances, lethal force would likely be justified, but it's still up to the jury if it's not a clear cut case.

If the incidents in JF were not bonafide attempts at severe injury or death, then they were misrepresented, and I certainly wouldn't condone lethal force. If that's the case, then perhaps a little less exaggeration on the part of a few particular individuals might remove some obstacles to agreements.

There's also pepper spray, and many have found it to be a very effective tool when used to stop an attack. There are some new devices that are effective up to 13 feet, and will work even with goggles and a helmet.

Obviously, neither of these tactics should be used on simple trespassers. It's just nowhere near as serious an offense.

Which begins to place this entire discussion about 3973 and PC 602 and disturbing the peace in its proper context, doesn't it?
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