Welcome! Log In Create A New Profile Recent Messages

Deep Creek Hot Springs

The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (82% of Full)


Advanced

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

All posts are those of the individual authors and the owner of this site does not endorse them. Content should be considered opinion and not fact until verified independently.

July 09, 2007 04:27PM
mojavegreen wrote:

> Hi Al,
>
> While bad feelings are understandable, we have an opportunity
> to set them aside and cooperate in dealing with this issue.
>
> I was going to respond to your earlier postings, but Wizard did
> such an excellent job, I will cut to the chase. How about this
> for a starting point:
>
> In this region, non-compliant riders have been willfully
> trespassing and evading prosecution under Section 602 PC by
> destroying private property postings (and fences). The burden
> of attempting to meet the requirements of this ineffective law
> was on the property owners.
>
> The new county ordinance puts responsibility on the rider by
> requiring written permission to ride on private property.
>
> Speaking as both fellow OHV enthusiast and property owner,
> would you agree that carrying written permission is a sensible
> requirement, and, if not, what do you propose as an
> alternative?
>
> Mojave
>

Thanks for the birthday wish Mojave. Funny thing is that until I played a 36 hole golf tournament today, I didn't feel any older than I did yesterday. It's nice to win a tournament once in a while, although the $100 I won today, pales in comparison to Tiger Woods winnings. LOL! My back has a tendency to remind me of my college football injuries from time to time, so I'm paying now.

My riding is nearly always in the open OHV areas in Johnson Valley, Red Mt. and up in the designated USFS riding areas in Mammoth Lakes and Kennedy Meadows,which is up on the Kern Plateau west of Hwy 395 and north of Ridgecrest. When I ride locally in the Cajon OHV area, I usually drive down to the staging area off of Interstate 15. I for one, would welcome the ability to contact the private property owners that lie between my home and that OHV area, so I could obtain written permission to traverse their properties. I have no desire to do anything but traverse their properties for the sake of getting to the staging area. It would be much easier if I could just ride there rather than load it all up and drive my truck down there. I see the biggest hindrance to this as being able to determine who the property owners are along the chosen route and how best to contact them. If the county could provide assistance in doing that, I think it would contribute significantly towards reducing the type of problems that many property owners experience. Perhaps another option would be to have a blanket approval signed by the affected property owners, giving permission for anybody that wishes to traverse only, across their properties. This could be administered by the county and users could then apply to the county for a daily, weekly or yearly permit. These are just a couple of suggestions off the top of my head. Unfortunately, I'm not aware of the procedures to follow to determine ownership, nor would I even know the boundaries of the properties, since many of the lots are unfenced and unmarked. It seems to me that the county could be more helpful with this and reduce the incursions onto property with minimal effort by them. These permits could even carry a small administration charge that would allow them to recoup their expenses. Much like the Forest Adventure Pass program we have in our local mountains. Taking it even a step further, there could be designated businesses near these areas, that could sell the permits.

Again, thank you for the birthday wish and for making me think of solutions rather than being on the defense all the time.
SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

Improving Off-road Compliance

mojavegreen 1787July 09, 2007 10:33AM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

mojavegreen 1087July 09, 2007 10:50AM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

LaughingBear 1134July 09, 2007 12:15PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Allen 1119July 09, 2007 04:27PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Allen 1247July 09, 2007 05:08PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Wizard 1128July 09, 2007 10:19PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

LaughingBear 1171July 10, 2007 08:34AM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

mojavegreen 1166July 10, 2007 10:51AM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Allen 1137July 10, 2007 03:19PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

mojavegreen 1186July 10, 2007 05:33PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Allen 1728July 11, 2007 04:47PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

mojavegreen 932July 12, 2007 09:47AM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Big Ed 1193July 12, 2007 09:23PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

mojavegreen 1191July 13, 2007 09:06AM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Big Ed 1107July 13, 2007 12:29PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

mojavegreen 1105July 13, 2007 05:43PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Big Ed 1030July 13, 2007 05:50PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

mojavegreen 1080July 13, 2007 06:42PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

LaughingBear 1154July 10, 2007 07:14PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Paul P. 1725July 11, 2007 12:26PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

LaughingBear 1133July 11, 2007 02:32PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Allen 1242July 11, 2007 02:48PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

LaughingBear 1120July 11, 2007 03:55PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Allen 1148July 11, 2007 04:33PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

mojavegreen 1205July 12, 2007 10:28AM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Allen 1152July 12, 2007 06:32PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

mojavegreen 1199July 13, 2007 09:52AM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

OMG 1104July 12, 2007 10:37PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Rick 1268July 12, 2007 11:00PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

OMG 1201July 13, 2007 11:34AM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Rick 1079July 13, 2007 12:30PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

mojavegreen 1089July 13, 2007 09:22AM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

OMG 1204July 13, 2007 11:50AM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Paul P. 1202July 13, 2007 12:09PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Big Ed 1166July 13, 2007 12:42PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Big Ed 1196July 13, 2007 12:44PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Big Ed 1082July 13, 2007 01:05PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

OMG 1042July 13, 2007 01:36PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

mojavegreen 1041July 13, 2007 06:16PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Big Ed 1259July 13, 2007 10:49PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

OMG 1221July 13, 2007 01:16PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Rick 1147July 13, 2007 12:44PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

OMG 1684July 13, 2007 01:09PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Big Ed 1179July 13, 2007 02:30PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

mojavegreen 1144July 13, 2007 06:24PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Big Ed 1129July 13, 2007 10:52PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

mojavegreen 1131July 13, 2007 11:33PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Big Ed 1075July 14, 2007 11:37AM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

OMG 1220July 13, 2007 09:54PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Big Ed 1060July 13, 2007 11:00PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Big Ed 1156July 13, 2007 02:42PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

mojavegreen 1709July 13, 2007 06:27PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

mojavegreen 1225July 13, 2007 07:36PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Big Ed 1126July 13, 2007 11:05PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Big Ed 1183July 13, 2007 11:13PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

mojavegreen 1094July 13, 2007 11:29PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Allen 1053July 14, 2007 06:52AM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

mojavegreen 1635July 14, 2007 10:01AM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Big Ed 1292July 14, 2007 11:38AM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Rick 1182July 14, 2007 03:37PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Big Ed 1211July 14, 2007 03:48PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Big Ed 1194July 14, 2007 11:38AM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Paul P. 1021July 14, 2007 09:27AM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Big Ed 1161July 14, 2007 11:41AM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

LaughingBear 1142July 14, 2007 09:21PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Allen 1213July 15, 2007 03:30PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Paul P. 1172July 15, 2007 08:58AM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Big Ed 1135July 15, 2007 03:50PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

OMG 1166July 15, 2007 06:07PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

OMG 1135July 15, 2007 06:16PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Allen 1119July 15, 2007 06:28PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

OMG 1453July 15, 2007 07:08PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Big Ed 1171July 15, 2007 07:42PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Rick 1122July 15, 2007 11:07PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Allen 1212July 16, 2007 09:55AM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

OMG 1143July 16, 2007 10:31AM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

OMG 1236July 15, 2007 07:32PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Big Ed 1710July 15, 2007 08:06PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

LaughingBear 1087July 15, 2007 08:23PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Big Ed 1112July 15, 2007 09:40PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Big Ed 1183July 15, 2007 09:45PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

mojavegreen 1146July 15, 2007 11:22PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Big Ed 1227July 16, 2007 09:17PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

mojavegreen 1131July 16, 2007 10:21PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Big Ed 1116July 17, 2007 08:06AM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

mojavegreen 1218July 17, 2007 10:12AM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Big Ed 1268July 17, 2007 09:01PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

OMG 1175July 15, 2007 10:21PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Big Ed 1141July 16, 2007 09:18PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

mojavegreen 1160July 16, 2007 10:41PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Big Ed 1103July 17, 2007 08:08AM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

OMG 1086July 17, 2007 12:18PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Big Ed 1115July 18, 2007 07:35AM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

mojavegreen 1123July 18, 2007 10:06AM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Big Ed 1096July 18, 2007 10:45AM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Big Ed 1151July 18, 2007 07:37AM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

mojavegreen 1150July 15, 2007 10:49PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Big Ed 1230July 16, 2007 09:19PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

OMG 1226July 15, 2007 11:33PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

mojavegreen 1234July 16, 2007 08:21AM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

LaughingBear 1086July 16, 2007 08:07AM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Big Ed 1073July 16, 2007 05:24PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Paul P. 1209July 16, 2007 09:51AM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Big Ed 1784July 16, 2007 08:24PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Rick 1196July 16, 2007 08:39PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Big Ed 1133July 16, 2007 10:08PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Rick 1170July 16, 2007 11:55PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Big Ed 1211July 17, 2007 08:13AM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

romyluna65 1090July 17, 2007 08:59AM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Rick 1211July 17, 2007 12:05PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Big Ed 1044July 17, 2007 08:42PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

mojavegreen 1189July 17, 2007 11:15PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Big Ed 1280July 18, 2007 08:11AM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

romyluna65 1158July 18, 2007 10:30AM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

LaughingBear 1131July 16, 2007 11:43AM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

OMG 1147July 16, 2007 12:11PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Paul P. 1164July 16, 2007 12:31PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

LaughingBear 1146July 16, 2007 07:16PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

OMG 1064July 16, 2007 09:11PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

OMG 1161July 16, 2007 09:20PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Big Ed 1674July 16, 2007 10:09PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

mojavegreen 1055July 16, 2007 10:59PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Big Ed 1144July 17, 2007 08:22AM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

mojavegreen 1094July 17, 2007 10:20AM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

OMG 1355July 17, 2007 02:47PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Big Ed 1114July 17, 2007 08:38PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Rick 1324July 18, 2007 02:28AM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Big Ed 1304July 18, 2007 08:31AM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Rick 1133July 18, 2007 12:19PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Big Ed 1127July 18, 2007 01:30PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

LaughingBear 1311July 17, 2007 07:40AM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

LaughingBear 1158July 17, 2007 08:15AM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Big Ed 1113July 17, 2007 08:27AM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Rick 1044July 17, 2007 12:09PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Big Ed 1084July 17, 2007 08:45PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Paul P. 1230July 17, 2007 09:29AM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Paul P. 1321July 17, 2007 01:35PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Rick 1115July 17, 2007 01:39PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Big Ed 1296July 17, 2007 08:51PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

LaughingBear 1172July 17, 2007 03:32PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Big Ed 1128July 17, 2007 09:06PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

mojavegreen 1046July 17, 2007 10:55PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Big Ed 1126July 18, 2007 08:37AM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

mojavegreen 1065July 18, 2007 10:24AM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Big Ed 1074July 18, 2007 10:58AM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

LaughingBear 1177July 18, 2007 08:15AM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Big Ed 1100July 18, 2007 08:43AM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Rick 1031July 18, 2007 03:37PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Big Ed 1236July 18, 2007 04:01PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Rick 1139July 18, 2007 05:37PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

LaughingBear 1134July 18, 2007 02:02PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Big Ed 1184July 18, 2007 02:25PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

LaughingBear 1224July 18, 2007 04:36PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Paul P. 971July 18, 2007 04:58PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Paul P. 1213July 18, 2007 05:49PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Allen 1110July 18, 2007 06:04PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Rick 1791July 18, 2007 10:32PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

LaughingBear 1202July 18, 2007 06:00PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

Allen 1235July 18, 2007 06:13PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

LaughingBear 1255July 18, 2007 06:38PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

OMG 1150July 12, 2007 10:58PM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

mojavegreen 1220July 13, 2007 10:12AM

Re: Improving Off-road Compliance

OMG 1081July 13, 2007 12:09PM



Sorry, you can't reply to this topic. It has been closed.