Its obvious that people want to help out in what way they can. Each person must decide what they can, and are willing to do. I think also just because many of the visitors will obviously choose to enjoy the springs and not become involved with our possible future efforts, that this should be excepted and not looked down on as long as they leave things as they found them. The general public has noby Wizard - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Naked Man, I don't get why you did a new post and then say " no more from on this thread ". Ah, maybe its some kind of riddle :-)by Wizard - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
When I talked to Brad Burns the main Forestry enforcement Ranger for the DCHS area he did express concerns about the increased visitation down there. I would think that the Forestry Dept would appreciate any help from us that does not conflict with thier agenda for the area. It seems like to me that there is only one clean up day a year down there. I would be nice if there were more. Also, in theby Wizard - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Nice job Rick, You the man :-) Would have been nice to get an e-mail from MSN informing me of the change, bad MSN :-) Ron, glad you enjoyed the new pics. Actually you can see in some of my shots of the Womb the color in the water is somewhat turqious. Can't match the fantastic color of that pool below Burney falls :-) Don't take it to hard OZ, we still love you :-)by Wizard - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Cred and Naked Man, I think its a good thing to have input from differant points of veiw. I hope you both don't think that I have suggested otherwise. Naked Man, your " official opinion " looks agreeable to me. Cred, I too think it would be better if all of us who care about DCHS could work together. While I was driving home from work tonight the thought crossed my mind of a vision of hby Wizard - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Cred, Two post up I stated " People who do bad things to the springs come through all ways of access to DCHS ". So I agree with your first statement and I would tend to think your second point has merit also. Maybe a gate could be installed that " everybody " going to the springs had to pass through, bad people would be instantly vaporized, no more problems at OZ :-)by Wizard - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Naked Man, These are complicated issues and in a lot of ways the " truth " is hard for us to find. I think we should be patient and careful in trying to understand these problems and in time we will hopefully find ourselves closer to the " truth ". I am not that knowledgeable about the fine points of the easement and ownership issues being discussed. I will just have to watchby Wizard - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
I went to the MSN homepage to look for some way to contact them about this problem. I found a link and have sent them an e-mail about this problem. I then found that I could access my two " communities " as there called, by going through the " people and chat " link at the top of the main MSN page. This link takes you to the communities section. Last night my mom was going toby Wizard - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Naked Man, Using the word " truth " so freely is not beneficial. I except completely that you may form an " opinion " or draw " conclusions " from things you have been told. I'm not a fence sitter and I try hard to be careful about describing things to the extent to which they can be known. When the truth of something is unclear then I express it in such terms. Opiniby Wizard - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
I've found that my pictures site " Wizard " and another one I have at MSN have been unavailable for veiwing for a couple of days. Anybody have any ideas on how I could find out from MSN whats going on. I'm hoping its just something temporary. Is something like this not normal from time to time or is there possibly something more sinister afoot? This is the first time I can remember thisby Wizard - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Jobe, in my last long conversation with Mike Castro before this last Xmas he made the same points with me about Gail telling lies and thinking it will become truth. I would say that Peaceful Warrior " could " be M.C. himself or somebody in direct contact with him. The intelligent and careful thinker will truly see which side is really trying to use this tactic. I have not seen Gail tryiby Wizard - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Hello Craig, So you are alive after all, I was starting to wonder :-) My pictures are at the Wizards pictures link below on this page. Quite a few new ones since you were last here however for the last two days I have not been able to pull up that site, as well as another MSN site of mine for veiwing. I get that notice that says " The page cannot be displayed ". I hope its just somethinby Wizard - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
I've picked up a few myself. At least there hitchhiking and the ones I've picked up have been friendly. Peaceful Warrior, What does your contradictory name stand for? DCHS a parasitic virus, nice try :-) I will give you bonus points for creativity :-) You are awfully worked up about two people ( William and Gail ) who you call stupid and failures. If they are truly so inept then whats your big woby Wizard - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Like I said Katrina, best to get off this merry-go-round with Naked Man :-) Naked man, So truth is now what we hear? Do you have specific information to offer that would show us who has done vandalism to cars in the area?by Wizard - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Cred, I had a long talk with Mike Castro back before Xmas and he new all about what was being discussed on this Forum. I'm not going to speculate on how or from who he gets his information about whats being talked about on the DCHS forum. He shows by his knowledge that he is interested and yet, not one single comment from him here. What ever his reasons for not expressing his veiws, that is his cby Wizard - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Thanks for the info Katrina. I would tend to think that the Forestry Dept would want to work with the BLM to preserve access to thier northern boundry in the springs area. I did find the BLM to show less concern than the Forestry Dept, for the publics interest in accessing the areas around the north side of DCHS. It wouldn't completely supprise me for them to do something like you suggested in thby Wizard - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Again time will tell the story of who has stated things most clearly on these issues. Katrina, I don't think that naked man will except anything you propose about these access and Bowen Ranch issues. Further explanations will most likely be wasted time in regards to convincing him that you are right. It will be interesting to see how the story unfolds concerning these things. I'm sure that even iby Wizard - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
You know thats funny Katrina, I'd been thinking that same thing for a while now. So Cred, does the name Tanya ring any bells with you :-) I had thought that the style of writting in the post done by informed, incredulous and cares were very similiar to eachother. Then the mentioning of hiking kids to the springs. Tanya and Kevin have two small children that they hike to the springs. Also the exprby Wizard - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Also Cred, emotions are part of the human experience, emotions make life worth living and just because someone speaks or reacts with emotion does not mean, necesarily, that the message they convey is therefore flawed or that thier actions are not worthy. People feel emotions about these issues we are talking about and this will always be the case.by Wizard - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Cred, I never suggested that " you must " be involved with any group out " there ". People can get together to help with the problems at DCHS if they want to. You must be confusing me with someone else in regards to all of the points you have made in the above post. My actions are aligned with all that you have said. I too have hiked in from ( I'm sure ) as many directions asby Wizard - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
No offense taken here Ron, I respect your opinions :-) I agree that it would take mucho magic to get everybody involved with the springs to work together as one cohesive group. I think the reply I made concerning the differances in points of veiw was to Free Our Forest and not Naked Man. I have seen here that there are those that would like to get more organized and help in these problems. They cby Wizard - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Now I know why I fell asleep in my english classes, rules , rules, rules. Thats why I like taking in a soak down at OZ, no clothes, no english classes and the only rule is, have a good time :-)by Wizard - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Ken, Check out my recently added pictures at the Wizards pictures link below. I put three more on today. Check out pictures 8-11 on page 17 and you will see that I have been to Burney falls and really love them :-) I worked as a Forestry Firefighter not to far from those falls. My station was 10 miles east of the town of McCloud which is south of Mt. Shasta. Had a great time up there working in tby Wizard - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
I've been thinking about our talk of meetings and the differant things suggesested that might help with the problems at DCHS. Anyway you go with this there is going to be some amount of people upset about the direction things are going. I have thoroughly enjoyed the free atmosphere of the springs up to this point. The visitation of DCHS is increasing and I don't think anyone would argue that poiby Wizard - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Viejo, My Wizards Crystal Ball tells me that I'm doomed to a life of bad spelling and grammer :-) I thought the old golden rule was " i " before " e " except after " c ". Now the english teachers here at the forum have me all confused :-) Don't know what the weather was like at the springs yesterday since I was in Las Vegas riding the Big Shot on top of the Stratosphby Wizard - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Paul, its my understanding that Mike Castro bought 80 acres.by Wizard - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
I've included 9 more pictures taken in the area around our property in Redding and a few of some neat things nearby. The additional pictures start as the last picture on page 16 of the Wizard's pictures link below and go to page 17. I think you will enjoy them :-)by Wizard - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
DCR, You could make your own MSN Communities site and put those pictures on it. Then they would be available for your other friends to see too. Its easy to do and its free. I'd like to check them out, let us know when they are available :-)by Wizard - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Katrina, I think your website is nicely done too, lots of good information :-)by Wizard - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Ah, a minor diety, just another rung on the ladder of life :-)by Wizard - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California