Sycamore, nice, cleverly-worded diatribe filled with innuendo's, and you never used my name, very tricky :-) I realize now that I have no desire to work with you, paul or AZ on this group project. I get along well with DCR and Ron and I have also apprecitated the thoughts posted by Paul P. here at the forum. Sorry Ron, I do not feel inclined to be involved with the group at this time given the nature of the disagreements between the above mentioned people and myself. We have big differances of opinion and I do not see where there is enough common ground to warrant further involvement with these negative feelings abrew. Also you will need to find a new person to contact Brad Burns in regards to your efforts. He is a good man and hopefully he will be shown the respect he is deserving of by all of the visitors to DCHS. I will, as always, continue my own private efforts, like trash clean up, breaking up fire pits and simple conversations with people about ways to keep the springs nice.