"That person vowed to never leave that area. They will take his ass out in a box." yea....whatever. With Scott's history of mental illness and his fondness for weapons, he may end up in a body bag complements of the San Bernardino Sheriff's Dept. Those guys aren't going to fool around with him. His rap sheet grows ever longer.by LaughingBear - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Yes, it's a real bummer deal. Vet Ed did not own the cabin and has decided to move in order to be closer to his kids. Scott Parker has been hanging around and "caretaking" the property for Pope Don Whittington. Scott has been arrested several times recently for various petty crimes and code enforcement has deemed the cabin to be unsafe for habitation due to code violations. When theby LaughingBear - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Thanks Jobe for bring Limo Dave's ratty ass trailer up the hill. How about making an amends and taking Scott Parker with you on a one way trip back to Vegas. Everyone in this area would be very grateful!by LaughingBear - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Limo Dave does not seem like an aggressive or violent person. Somewhat odd in personality but not a bad ass by any means. But, when you mix alcohol with gunpowder and add some stupidity, anything is possibleby LaughingBear - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
According to the next door neighbor, Dave and the victim showed up in a motorhome to the property where the limo is parked. They were drinking. The neighbor heard two gunshots late at night. Then the motorhome started driving around erratically. The neighbor called the sheriff's dept who then responded. The Sheriff's dept provided EMS medical assistance to the victim until the paramedics arrived.by LaughingBear - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
It's my understanding he was originally an associate of William Schwiess at the Moss Mill and has been hanging off and on around every since. One local property owner lets him park his junker limo next to her old travel trailer located the address mentioned in the incident report. He visits the area but does not reside there nor own any property. I generally avoid him if at all possible. He'sby LaughingBear - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
NAME: LAST: ANSTROM FIRST: DAVID MIDDLE: DOB: 02/09/1956 SEX: M RACE: W HT: 6 01 WT: 170 HAIR: BRO EYE COLOR: HAZ OCCUPATION: DISABLED Didn't he run for Congress recently as a Republican?by LaughingBear - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
What is PC 664/187?by LaughingBear - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Celtfire, Rick can give you my e mail address so we can kick this idea around some. Collecting some local history would be a worthy project although somewhat time consuming. I am interested in reading Gertie's book again. I remember all of the old minor's cabins that used to be in the area.(Eagles Nest,the Green Tin Shack, Welcome Ranch and other sites) Only the Bowen Ranch, Oak Springs and theby LaughingBear - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Mojave Green has a pretty good collection of interesting history. There were other families who pioneered the area along with the Bowens. It would be interesting to put together a history of the area that includes both early inhabitants as well as some of us who came here 30+ years ago. Time marches on and memories fade. I dont want to infringe on any copyrighted material and was thinking of a hby LaughingBear - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
I am looking for a copy of this book. A friend and I have been kicking around the idea of writing something along the lines of this and inviting others to share their experiences. What do you think Celtfire Bill? There are so many interesting tales.by LaughingBear - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Ord 3973 is working. With the abundance of legal OHV areas like Stoddard , El Mirage and Johnson Valley in San Bernardino County, there are plenty of places for these guys to ride where they wont be disrupting the quiet of our neighborhoods. The irresponsible MC riders are like a scourge. I believe we need tougher enforcement that includes confiscation of vehicles as a deterrent. When an illegalby LaughingBear - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
How is it going with your neighbors Mr Wizard? Are they behaving?by LaughingBear - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Try going through Hesperia. Take I 15 and exit at Main st. Go through town and grab whatever supplies you need. Take Main st east until it curves to the right. Left on Rock Springs Road >>>>Cross the Mojave River>>>>> continue east until Rock Springs Road becomes Round Up Way. Continue east on Round Up until you hit Bowen Ranch Road. Turn right (south) and follow iby LaughingBear - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Thank you Rick. The effects of irresponsible OHV use is once again in the national spotlight as public lands management agencies try to address this increasing problem.by LaughingBear - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Did I mention shotguns are also useful. There were quite a few times when cottontail would supplement the steady diet of beans and rice. I rarely eat oatmeal today and I always wondered just what that Quaker Oats dude was smiling about. It's not so funny when you run out of honey!by LaughingBear - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
The winter of 77-78 was historic as a series of storms pounded the pacific coast from late December to Febuary. There were drifts 6' deep and our vehicles were snowed in at Luna Vista for three weeks. After the melt, every ravine and wash had flowing water and there was a big waterfall to the left of the goat trail down to the hot springs. I remember the roar of the water flowing. The river was uby LaughingBear - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
I've got a few old pictures of the "Welcome ranch" (now called Luna Vista) One winter it snowed so hard we burned the chicken coop (after making soup out of all of the chickens). The hitching post also went into the woodstove My memory of that old road into the canyon was people were always getting their cars stuck and the trash situation was much worse. Gertie Bowen moved into townby LaughingBear - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
This sounds like it's worth attending.by LaughingBear - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
I read in the world weekly news that Elvis was sighted on Mars. Closer to earth, the illegal MC trespass within the Deep Creek/ Juniper Flats area remains problematic. Tracy certainly played a big role in putting Juniper Flats on the map as a location where irresponsible OHV use runs rampant. If Mike Castro went hiking, who cares? The Bowen Ranch would get kinda stale after a while and gettingby LaughingBear - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Drunks with guns.........it's too bad the USFS wasnt there earlier.by LaughingBear - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
The locals drive their cars to the freedom trailhead no problem. Just straddle the ruts and go slow. It aint that bad. One of the worst spots is where you make the right turn through the old fire closure gate before you get to the Bowen Ranch.by LaughingBear - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Description "Friends of Juniper Flats" (FOJF) is a 501(c)(3)organization dedicated to preserving Juniper Flats, the attractive hilly desert area, actually the northern foothills of the San Bernardino Mountains, to the east of Hesperia and south of Apple Valley. The Flats feature several riparian areas, rare in the high desert, which attract a range of wildlife, including vireos, greby LaughingBear - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
We have experienced intentional destruction of our clean-up and restoration projects Katrina. The restoration/cleanup held for National Public Lands Day at Arrastra Falls with the BLM and Student Conservation Association was intentionally destroyed by dirt bikers on an angry rampage within a week of completion. There was even a beautiful picture in the V V daily Press about it. There are some veby LaughingBear - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
"With no state recreational vehicle areas close to home, Inland enthusiasts who want to ride legally must use private parks or travel to other state facilities, such as the busy Ocotillo Wells vehicle-recreation area in Imperial County. Others ride illegally on public and private lands throughout the region." How about Johnson Valley, Stoddard Valley, Rasor, El Mirage and Dumont Duneby LaughingBear - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
A long time ago a hydrolgist/geologist told me our area was highly fractured with faults. This explains why the quartz deposits containing gold in the matrix look tantalizing....only to pinch away to nothing once explored. Old Mr Bowen and his friend, a man named Miller were mining partners long ago. There are historical accounts that mercury poisoning contributed to Mr Bowen's demise. Mercury waby LaughingBear - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
That certain resident is still driving like a madman.by LaughingBear - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Hey Katrina, did you know that groups like the Deep Creek Volunteers and the Friends of Juniper Flats clean up this area on a regular basis? Everything from the trash and bottles left down at Deep Creek to the debris, shells ,broken glass , shotgun and rifle shells at illegal shooting ranges and OHV staging sites. For the last couple of years, the FOJF have organized clean-ups for National Publiby LaughingBear - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
When Mike collects money from someone for access, he assumes a certain amount of liability for thier actions. There is a known risk of extreme fire danger in the Deep Creek region. Negligent behavior by his patrons exacerbated by a lack of monitoring at the Bowen Ranch could result in a catastrophinc wildfire damaging both private and public lands in the region. Should this scenario become a realby LaughingBear - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Watch those blind corners!by LaughingBear - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California