Agreed. For instance, I also do not want to see strange fluids floating in the tubs (so no sex in the tubs -- and for that matter, no sex unless you are in places far from the springs where you and your partner are secluded and alone). I also think it is fine, for people like yourself, to see DCHS as a place to socialize. Many people do. Others, such as myself, prefer to find peace aby mellowguy - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Good question...I don't think the Naturist Society is the final authority. I do think they are a group of people, women as well as men, who have long dealt with the problem of sex-charged single guys in nudist settings. I think that many of us can respect the Society's views. formulated and carefully expressed after long dealing with the problem. Their Rule #1 reflects not just a single man'sby mellowguy - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Andrew, With regard to your third point -- an apology to me for misinterpreting what I meant by privacy to include sex (when I am against sex in the pools, and spoke only of silence, being alone, talking or whispering, and kissing) -- I can't tell if you are being sarcastic. If you are not being sarcastic, of course I accept your apology. Thanks. If you are being sarcastic, I really don't tby mellowguy - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Well guys, I really do not think it should be so hard to acknowledge that there are a lot of single guys (not including many of the guys who have responded here) who go to DCHS for the sole or primary purpose of seeing a naked woman or women. Like pornography, we know these guys when we see them there (although these guys themselves are like ostriches with their heads in the sand, apparently beliby mellowguy - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Could be, but (1) people seem to have diametrically opposite ideas of what is rude, and (2) the Naturist Society expects people to respect each other's privacy in the pools, and I agree with them. Maybe they, and me, are both crazy that there is any such thing as privacy at DCHS, but I don't think so. I think that there are moments, and times, when people can have some privacy, if others respecby mellowguy - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
"... time alone, romantic time, maybe kissing and caressing, enjoying the silence or soft whisperings between lovers." That is not sex. But what do you think the Naturist Society means by "privacy." And what do you think it means by recognizing when one is unwelcome?by mellowguy - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
As I say, I have said my peace about this topic so to repeat my views further is probably just flogging a dead horse. But again, please recognize the setting of my original question: A single guy spends HOURS in the same pool or pool area with a couple, and will not leave them even a few MINUTES of alone time (obviously because he wants to keep looking at the woman or etc.) The starkest situatby mellowguy - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
As I mentioned in my second post here on this topic, I was with a girlfriend at DCHS one time about 7-8 years ago and there was only one other person in the area with us, a single guy. She and I got into the Arizona pool and he came over and got in with us. His stares made her too uncomfortable to stay nude, and he would not take our hints to stop looking at her, so she put her bathing suit on.by mellowguy - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Thanks, Wizard. I appreciate your thoughts, as well as the thoughts of the others who have responded. Just to clarify: I did not have in mind monopolizing a pool by a couple, especially when the springs are relatively crowded. What I was referring to are the jerks that will not leave couples any time alone, even a few minutes, at times and in places around the pools where there many otherby mellowguy - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
What I meant by "privacy" is how I defined it in my second post here on this topic, in the post-stream above. I did not mean sex. In the Naturist society quote I included in my initial post on this topic, their Rule #1 also asks that people respect each other's privacy at DCHS. And the Naturist Society absolutely means privacy, just privacy, not sex...by mellowguy - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Years ago DCHS was a lot less crowded. On one off-season visit, I was with a girlfriend in the Arizona pool. We were the only ones at the springs except for one leering single guy. He got in the pool with us. His stares at my girlfriend's breasts made her uncomfortable, so she put on her bathing suit. Eventually, we went up to the womb, got in, and my girlfriend removed her bathing suit. In aby mellowguy - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
I am curious what other people think: Suppose a couple would like some privacy in one of the pools, shower, or indeed any area of DCHS in the creek near the pools. Suppose a single guy just hangs out near them and will not respond to innumerable hints that they would like some time alone. Suppose this goes on not for minutes but for a few hours, in fact the better part of the day, when there aby mellowguy - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Another suggestion (and this goes for the oogling pervs that hang out on the rocks as well): Take their pictures with your camera phone and post the pics here and everywhere else you can think of. The mere possibility that their wives, girlfriends, neighbors and/or co-workers might see the pics of these guys in their full shameful perv mode might be enough to deter them from DCHS.by mellowguy - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
It is probably very safe from anyone harming you, although some guys might try to hit on you or one or two might oogle you bothersomely. I have always visited with women, and they are generally left alone, even when they were in a pool without me, but that was only for limited periods of time, so I don't know. You might want to check out my posting "magnificant trip" from this past Juby mellowguy - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Thanks Paul P. Your brevity in words is a virtue I lack! And you are surely correct that self-policing through polite requests is all we generally will need. No beating the #@&^! out of people, no calling in the cops.by mellowguy - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Chill, people. Pardon my saying so, but there is far too much aggression and hostility in a few of the posts on this topic. As my other posts in this forum reflect, I do not want there to be any overt sex in and around the pools. (Although let's be honest about it and ask ourselves, would we really be so ready to beat the @#$%! shit out of a gorgeous young hetero couple, or two pretty women, soby mellowguy - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Chill, Speakeasy. If you will pardon my saying so, there is counterproductive hostility in your approach, and any demand for citations or arrests could lead to a crackdown on nudity itself at DCHS, exactly as it did at San Onofre. As George Santayana once said, "Those who cannot remember their history are condemned to repeat it."by mellowguy - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Exactly, Paul P. and speakeasy. Most of us enjoy, or love, sex. But there is a time and a place for everything. DCHS is a spiritual place. Drunken noise and other obnoxiousness kills that spirt. Vulgar sex would be one of those other obnoxiousnesses. Do it privately, far from the pools if the mood simply overpowers you, but please leave the pools and area around them to pleasant tranquilityby mellowguy - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Thanks, Paul. And yes, I suspected that other couples (and women with rafts) have also discovered that unique secret at DCHS, so long as the shower water is not too hot that day or the woman too sensitive for it on certain parts of her body. It took my female friend, in fact, some time to get used to the hot water at certain loci, but once she did, it was off to an ecstasy beyond that generallyby mellowguy - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
After not visiting DCHS for many years, a female friend and I just had a spectacular trip there from Thursday morning through Sunday morning. We camped at Bowen and it was wonderful. I am an avid backpacker and usually much prefer backpacking to car-camping, but in this case the car-camping provided us major comforts and virtues. Camping up at Bowen meant we had a broad variety of amenities thatby mellowguy - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
My female friend and I just returned from a 4-day trip to DCHS and she hiked totally nude each day to and from springs to Bowen Ranch (where we camped). She was with me and no one bothered her. She is middle age, though, and I expect that more guys might have oogled her or bothered her if she was younger. I kept my clothes on because I feel more protected from the elements or getting scratchedby mellowguy - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Even as a newbie to this discussion group, I share the same sentiments as LaughingBear. All the venum and hostility is very troubling, especially when it surrounds a place where serenity ought to prevail and which is a gift to all of us through the natural surroundings. This is no disrespect to anyone on this forum, including to those most hostile, and I recognize that I know nothing of the iby mellowguy - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
There used to be a piece of PVC pipe that someone stuck into one of the hot water sources up on the cliff, allowing the hot water to fall about 15' to the creek below. It made a nice "shower" (and water message) and also made the water in the creek warm in the area where it fell. Is it still there?by mellowguy - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
When I used to go to DCHS, there was one man-made item that was left there semi-permanently and which I thought was not only acceptable but a great addition: A length of PVC pipe that had been shoved into one of the sources of hot water on the cliff, allowing for the hot water to fall like a shower about 15' to the creek below. It made that area of the creek also warm, and we could choose the tby mellowguy - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Thanks for the historical perspective, guys. I think I must have been blessed, and lucky, in my 20 some-odd visits before, ending about 7-8 years ago. But when I think about it, there was some discarded blankets and other trash on a couple of my visits, and I imagine I did have to deal with a boom box (under the shade trees) once or twice. I otherwise had such great times there though (aside fby mellowguy - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Thanks to DS 420, Joel, Paul P, and Hiker. As you all suggest, my gf and I will go there during the week, and in the early morning. My new gf has never been there and all we want is some good vibes and warm water, and meditative beautiful surroundings, without being annoyed or hasseled. I will keep my fingers crossed, but if it is not optimal, so be it. My gf and I are not that fragile anyway,by mellowguy - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Thanks DH 420. I have been reading the posts much of the morning and I am not totally looking forward to going to DCHS now. It sounds like the place is sort of ruined from what it used to be: far more crowded, and with a lot more loud people, littering people, perverted people, and so on than when I used to go there decades ago. If so, what a horrible shame. It was not only beautiful back theby mellowguy - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Perfect. You're awesome. Thanks again.by mellowguy - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Thanks, LaughingBear (for both suggestions). I will print out your directions and give them to my friend. Of the two routes you've given, which do you think is better/quicker (coming from the south)?by mellowguy - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Pardon my ignorance, but what is the connection between Obama and skinnydipping? If anything, I would think that, as a general rule, people who are not conservative politically would also be more liberal about shedding clothes in nature.by mellowguy - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California