Sycamore wrote: "Since no one is responsible, if one wanders into your yard, can you call it dinner?" You can call it whatever you like, but if you make it your dinner, that is a different story!by mojavegreen - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Sycamore wrote: "If the BLM decides to release the cattle, after having documented a number of fences needing repair because of illegal OHV activity, they will also have to bear the responsibility of cattle trespass." Strangely enough, it doesn't work that way. On second thought, this is the government we are dealing with, so maybe it is not so strange after all. Leaseholders haveby mojavegreen - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Asking that Ranger Nelson be held to a high moral standard may be an unrealistic expectation, Laughing Bear. However, we should expect him be held to at least a minimal standard as a public servant. It is becoming apparent that an under-the-table agreement was made by BLM with the OHV community. Following the Willow Fire, complaints by local residents regarding the non-compliant use a new tby mojavegreen - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
If you knew me, Rick, you would know that defensiveness is not my style. At great effort for restraint, I am being trying to be tolerant and put your obvious irritation to rest without responding offensively. I realize that a lot of you suburbanites are dictated to by Homeowner Associations. When you drive up the mountain, be aware that you are in a different world.by mojavegreen - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
"Now the silly stone stackers have moved out onto Bowen Ranch Rd!" I interpreted you to be critical of the stone figures at the Rock Springs Ranch gate. However, if by "silly", you were merely saying that these whimsical figures seem to be on the move and you are not offended by their new home, my apologies. For those of you are offended by stone art, ease your irritatiby mojavegreen - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
So, file your complaint with the County of San Bernardino.by mojavegreen - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Thank you for your well-stated response, Wizard. There are no easements of record for this stretch of road. The last easement of record on Bowen Ranch Rd. is across from old Paradise Ranch. From that point on, passage to Bowen Ranch has shifted over three different routes since the early 1900's and none were ever formalized. The current route utilizes Mark Law's Homestead route (now the mainby mojavegreen - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
I am curious as to where you are being greeted by these whimsical denizens, Rick. (Bowen Ranch Rd. is on private land except for the final stretch between the Village and Bowen Ranch.) Before the Willow Fire, the Joshua trees used to throw up their arms every time they were approached. I never saw one that failed to greet with at least one arm. I sure miss the Hallelujah Forest and I suspeby mojavegreen - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
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This issue must be approached with a clear head. Mixing in an old personal agenda against Mike Castro hardly serves the interests of those who would like to maintain access to Deep Creek Hot Springs. For locals, Mike Castro's ownership of Bowen Ranch is a welcome change from the historic lawlessness of previous tenants. Every reader of this forum owes it to themselves to have a conversation wby mojavegreen - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Paul, Here is another option: http://www.ca.blm.gov/pdfs/cdd_pdfs/wemo_pdfs/183mapsindex.html lists all of the maps. As I said maps 69 and 72 cover Juniper Flats and Bowen Ranch/Deep Creek Hot Springs access.by mojavegreen - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
p_map_72 maps the area around Bowen Ranch and the proposed access routes to Deep Creek Hot Springs. You may also find that useful for discussion.by mojavegreen - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
p_map_69 is the alternate favored in WEMO. Although other alternatives are presented, they are considered too extreme for real consideration. I tried to send a copy of p_map_69 to Rick, but, at 2.06 Mb, it was almost double the file size allowed by Hotmail. Perhaps he can work with Gail to get a copy of p_map_69 and give us a link.by mojavegreen - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
That it is, Paul.by mojavegreen - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Party Animal. I was speaking to George, of course and not Rick!by mojavegreen - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
A great letter from Bush's alma mater. Do you read the Washington Post, Party Animal?by mojavegreen - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
It should be pointed out that na_map_69 is the "No Action" alternate choice map, not the proposed WEMO change. Check the SE corner of Section 35 on Juniper Flats. SV0923 to Cottonwood Springs is shown as closed as is the route to the parking lot. Of course the latter makes no sense at all. It would be interesting to compare this map to p_map_69 which is the current change as propoby mojavegreen - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Thanks for sharing another chapter in the history of Bowen Ranch, Gail. The mountain community had a very unsavory reputation back in the eighties. This colorful episode is one of many that established an aura of lawlessness around Deep Creek Hot Springs. Although amusing to read in retrospect, locals are relieved to put that era behind and once again enjoy the renewed peace and friendlinessby mojavegreen - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Hi Gail, Thanks for the posting in response to my question. Not much point in providing local input to this congress as they are already well aware of the dangers that the stricken forest presents. Hopefully this time bomb can be defused.by mojavegreen - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Thanks for the link, Paul. Auggie may be interested to know that the Juniper Flats referred to your link is in Joshua Tree and is not our Juniper Flats located near Deep Creek Hot Springs. Although the walking trail utilizes the Pacific Crest Trail and passes through Deep Creek Hot Springs, it does not pass through Juniper Flats on any trail so dedicated. Non-motorized feeder connectivity fromby mojavegreen - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Here are some facts for you, Auggie: Tom Egan was not given the choice to resign or be fired and he does not work for the Center for Biodiversity. Have the courage to identify yourself if you want to engage in slander.by mojavegreen - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Careful about accusing others of having "little minds", Auggie. You are outgunned here intellectually and you know it. I am not in the pocket of any special interest group. I represent an American tradition, the private land owner. I am also a member of the American public, which gives me an interest in public lands. Public lands were handed down as a trust and we are charged withby mojavegreen - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Same (Auggie). Long on innuendo, short on presentation of facts. Cheer up! Glean that load of negativity from your next post and define or expand on an issue for a change. For instance, I share Laughing Bear's curiosity about the California Riding and Hiking Trail. Why don't you give us some details on that for a start?by mojavegreen - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
The competition for water on the mountain has taken a victim. After surviving the Willow Fire, the aged and only cottonwood at the homesteader site on Juniper Flats is gone. The surrounding fence was cut and it was hauled it off in a truck. Someone resented its thirst. Was it the holder of the BLM grazing lease who needs this resource for his cattle this fall? Are hunters trying to briby mojavegreen - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
By the way, the expression "balls out!" may have false imagery to some. The term originated when governors were used to control the speed of steam engines. The balls on the governors were driven further out by centrifugal force and were linked to the throttle. Hence, the expression "balls out" means full throttle.by mojavegreen - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
I agree that Bowen Ranch is too dangerous for equestrian use, Gail. That was the protest of the equestrians at the kiosk to Barry Nelson following the Willow Fire. He expressed no sympathy for their lack of safety. Similarly, OHV trails are not compatible with use by the non-motorized public. Some of the dirt bikers in the area are competitive racers and are going balls- out. Cottonwood Sprby mojavegreen - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Hi Katrina Island/Auggie, I feel like I am talking to Sybil here, but I will go along with it. We have already responded to all the questions that you asked in your post. We have made it very clear that we are not trying to exclude any user group from Juniper Flats. I have never made any assertions that there is violence in the area. William and Gail are the only ones who have made these assby mojavegreen - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Hi all, Auggie tipped his hand when he posted from Gail and William's (Katrina Island) computer. I have to withdraw my apology. I was right on when I guessed that Auggie was really William/Gail. Mojaveby mojavegreen - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
You have drawn a portion of the disputed trail on the map and noted, "Please notice how this trail is the main connector of public lands in the area." This is a false statement as can be seen from reading paragraph II.A). Juniper Flats 10 (paragraph II.A) states that access to the cultural area is by Bowen Ranch Rd, Juniper Flats Rd. and the Power Line Rd. Your confusion is in notby mojavegreen - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
For those of us who don't care to register for this website, what is the scoop?by mojavegreen - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California