Yes, it is the same much improved right turn people take to go to the Freedom trail head. Brent and Jessica have not mentioned a starting time. I did not think to ask. If you are there too early you could park nearby and pay upon exiting. At least you will not be threatened by a maniac with a gun. Or if you are tell him he is trespassing. Also rumor has it that Mike has either stopped dying his hair or he has blonde hair now. Be advised. And he is only charging 5 $ per person. American competition at it's finest. Hope to see you at the springs soon.