No offense taken here Ron, I respect your opinions :-) I agree that it would take mucho magic to get everybody involved with the springs to work together as one cohesive group. I think the reply I made concerning the differances in points of veiw was to Free Our Forest and not Naked Man. I have seen here that there are those that would like to get more organized and help in these problems. They can get together and do for themselves, things to help the springs, that are within the bounds of the Forestry rules, and they could also contact the Forestry Dept and inquire about other additional ways they may be able to assist the Forestry Dept in protecting the springs environment and surrounding area. In the beginning there may be several groups that might find themselves working more closely together at some point in the future. There are simple things each individual can do each time they visit the springs like things listed at Katrina's website about how to take care of the DCHS. I think also that since the many visitors to the springs have differant lifestyles, timeschedules, interest and many times live a good ways away, that this creates difficulties in getting a group together to do the things a collection of people working together might accomplish.