By the way, adverse possession does not appear to apply if you fence in public property and take possession, even in an open and hostile manner. At least, not in California.by Big Ed - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
You've got it, Mojavegreen. My advice is that you check your fences once in a while, and know the true boundaries. It doesn't pay to snooze, even if you know your neighbors. Adverse possession applies in nearly every one of our nation's 50 states. The main difference is the length of time required to establish ownership.by Big Ed - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Working from January 1 until early May to pay the government its tax rates doesn't make any sense to me, either. But it's the law nevertheless. Please keep in mind that there have been practical reasons for private property laws (as well as the accompanying public access laws) for centuries. The trend of which you speak is a trend among Earth Island followers, rewilding promoters, and worshipperby Big Ed - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Perhaps because I don't live in Los Angeles County, nor have I recreated there for 33 years as I have in San Bernardino County. Most of Los Angeles County is urban now anyway, so very few people travel there as a recreation destination. So the point is mostly moot regarding LA Co. The places I go are not semi-urban, yet the ordinance still affects my recreation and the recreation of my friendsby Big Ed - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Yeah, I'm somewhat aware, but there has to be some sort of example. Besides, us young'uns of 49 sometimes drink mint juleps, LOL!by Big Ed - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Neon signs?by Big Ed - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
There are two sides to every story, and the above "Action Alert" is clearly intended to appeal to one side of the issue at hand. It may seem obvious, but I think it's important to point out that not everyone shares the view of the original poster nor the person who cut and pasted it here. Democracy is served when everyone's position is represented clearly and distinctly, and the decisioby Big Ed - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
On a similar topic, a close friend of mine has a brother who lives in northern California. We'll call him Walt. Walt owns acreage on both sides of the road at his home. Some of the acreage spans a creek lined with trees. Because of the trees, he failed to notice his neighbor, a rancher with adjoining property, moving the fence to cover about 2-1/2 acres of Walt's property. After about 6 years, Waby Big Ed - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
I think Rick's post says it sufficiently. It may not make sense to YOU, OMG, but it does make sense to land managers who have to balance many competing interests. The concept of reasonable and legitimate public access across some private property has been around almost as long as the concept of private property itself, about a millennia. It's roots are in Common Law, originating in the British Isby Big Ed - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Paul P, I don't know where you stand on the use of OHV's, but I'll venture a guess that you are against the practice in your part of the desert. I would guess this is not the first time you have advised others to deny OHV access to their private property based on your view of liability law and how it must certainly be in the real world. Things aren't always as they seem. Now you see why basing yoby Big Ed - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Sorry, I screwed up the link above, but you can figure it out, cut and paste into your browser address line. The file extension is really pdf, not pdfr. See below: http://www.saratoga.ca.us/current%20projects/deAnza%20trail%20schematics/info/trail%20liabilities.pdfby Big Ed - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Paul P, Mojavegreen, OMG, et al: There is settled private property liability law in California that establishes that when a private property owner gives their express permission to traverse, they cannot be held liable UNLESS there is some hidden danger such as an unposted wash or drain pipe/hole/culvert/cliff or other obvious hazard. Paul P, your friend must have had one of these hazards, or theby Big Ed - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
I would not be in favor of anything that requires current owners of OHV's to spend sums of money to convert bodywork or add structures to vehicles in order to display billboard-sized license plates. I would not be opposed to DMV providing larger green stickers for side or front number plates on vehicles that are built with them. There are some inherent problems, however. One is that racers wouldby Big Ed - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Legitimate questions, Mojavegreen. Identification of vehicles is only valuable if the LEO is present to witness it. Otherwise, all they can do is pay the owner a visit. Identification can also take on many forms, but the one most often discussed is a license plate similar to road motorcycles use. This is the least desirable for a number of reasons. One is the frequency of crashes, presenting a dby Big Ed - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
I was at King's Beach the same time you were, Wizard. I also took photos of the fire, and they are nearly identical to yours. Mine were taken from a dock at Brockway Springs Resort at 5:32pm on the 24th, when we returned from a trip to Virginia City through Carson City. Ultimately, the fire is a testament to what happens with too much fuel and not enough precipitation. All it requires is a spark.by Big Ed - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California