Wizard, you probably know this... a friend of mine saw this statement in the DCV Brochure under the Forest Service rules: "Being publicly nude within one-quarter mile of the T-6 crossing (close to Arrowhead)." He wanted to know where exactly is the T-6 crossing? Is there a specific trailhead crossing or a lat and long would help so we can check it on topozone.com. Thanks Paul P.by Paul P. - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
The DCHS website is down for financial, political, social, economical and safety issues. It has succumbed to the Castro virus, a very pervasive worm that spreads to any website connected to Deep Creek.by Paul P. - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
One of the best activities anyone can do to help take care of their favorite places is to pick up trash. Sure, it's a real drag that idiots leave their trash behind in the wonderful environmentally beautiful locations we all know, but it is really beneficial and heartwarming to see people take care of their favorite places. I am constantly picking up trash wherever I go...especially Blacks Beachby Paul P. - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Excellent ideas for a the logo, Ron. I propose that Wizard and family be the family model. His family represents all aspects -Wizard's nudity, his wife typically with a suit and the Munchkins represent the kid factor! It should be fairly easy to find single guys - also it would nice to have a couple of women to point out that it's safe for women at Deep Creek. A cross section of the populace woby Paul P. - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
I agree -that slogan is also used by the Sierra Club.. I like "Respect this Place" for the first part. Overall, Gary's logo is excellent. If possible, it would nice if one person had a bathing suit on. Even though most of us go nude, it's important to realize many people prefer textile, and thats OK.`by Paul P. - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Blacks Beach has been beautiful this month. Although the water temp is still a little cool for swimmimg (59 degrees), soakin nekkid in the sun is truly wonderful. Crowds are still light, people are friendly, and even the lifeguards wave as one strolls naked along the beach! Blacks is a nice alternative to Deep Creek if you're looking for an alternative. Feel free to post here or E-mail me if youby Paul P. - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Dodge, one of the beautiful things about nudity is that it is the great equalizer. Deep Creek has historically experienced a wide range of soakers gay and straight alike. Everybody gets along except for the rare homophobic person. Hot Springs etiquette suggests no overt sexual activity in the pools. There are many , many places along Deep Creek within walking distance of the springs that areby Paul P. - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Some of my favorite soaking experiences ocurred in the Mammoth area Hot Springs. Molly's Tub is particularly nice, but Pulky's Pool and all the others are great. Plus Keough , Buckeye, Travertine and Fales are not to far away either.by Paul P. - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
I love Yosemite! Those photos remind me of the wonderful shots from Ansel Adams. If only there were some hot prings there ;-)by Paul P. - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Rick, glad its working again... Anyone know how the cleanup went??by Paul P. - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Widow Bates reported Ronnie missing on January 19th, and then "Approx April 3, 1997 Nancy Bates puts an add in the local newspaper the Daily Press looking for Ronnie Bates missing person, missing car." Why did she wait so long?by Paul P. - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
NSX - regarding the issue of safety, I wouldn't worry too much. Just use common sense. Make sure you don't take too many valuables along and never leave anything valuable in your tent if you are leaving it unattended to hike to the springs. At the springs itself, keep an eye on your clothes, food, camera etc. Petty theft is becoming more common but not considered a safety problem. Again, keepby Paul P. - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Katrina stated: Widow Bates turned in her husband as a missing person January 19th. Mike Castro did not turn in the vehicle until April 23, 1997. It is this delay that resulted in the Widow Bates having to launch an extensive manhunt for her husband all over the country and Mexico. Ronnie's jawbone was not found until May 1998 finally answering the question as to the location of the body. Whyby Paul P. - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
My wife and I almost always hike nude on the Bowen Ranch trail. Shrinkage ;-) can be a significant factor in colder weather, but so what...nude is beautiful! We do wear tennis shoes and socks however for foot protection. Post Edited (03-25-03 18:59)by Paul P. - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
More interest in Linux than in Hot Springs??? I think all those Linux people need to leave their computers behind and come soak with us at Deep Creek ;-)by Paul P. - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Hi Rick it is slow today,,, why is that?by Paul P. - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Thanks to all regarding info on Little Tahiti, Hawaii, whatever...by Paul P. - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
OK Katrina, you've got my curiousity aroused. Where is Little Hawaii and the waterfall? Sounds like a nice place. You can respond to me offline if you like [email protected]. Regards. Paul P.by Paul P. - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
I agree Rick, access and hiking distance from Bowen Ranch and JF3 will probably remain the same. Any proposed wilderness boundaries will be adjacent or in close proximity to Bowen Ranch private property. Regarding the proposed new Forest Service Plan, maybe Ron or Wizard could contact Brad Burns. Since DCV has established a good relationship with him, he would be a good choice to ask about hoby Paul P. - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Free our forests, definitely click on the "flat view" at the bottom of the messages and that will collapse all threads. For whatever reason, occasionally the flat view setting doesn't stick and the threaded view shows up.by Paul P. - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
My suggestion to free our forest and blue corn is to consider upgrading your Web browser to Netscape 7.01 or Internet Explorer 6.0. That should help.by Paul P. - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
I heard that Osama had a lot of "wrecked" camels in the front yard of his Village pad! Code enforcement spent days trying to determine how to remove them to the junkyard ;-)by Paul P. - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
We've been bombarded with heavy rain here today. I expect the entire Deep Creek drainage area will experience a major flush out from this storm. Watch those water levels up there -they are going to rise dramatically!by Paul P. - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Thanks for the excellent notes and for considring input from all DCV members. Just for the record, I totally support the wording to keep DCV impartial regarding the whole Mike Castro/Katrina and others feud. Post Edited (02-25-03 18:34)by Paul P. - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
My opinion on "publicity containment" is this - Although I'm not speaking directly fro DCV, I believe the intent of the DCV Brochure is to educate people who ALREADY KNOW ABOUT DCHS. This is why we've been discussing the idea of passing out and/or posting the brochures AT Deep Creek so visitors will have a better idea about what to expect, etc. This is also why we've been discussingby Paul P. - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
As I've said many times, safety concerns are one of the biggest issues facing Deep Creek. I no longer take my kids there because of the propensity for violence, regardless of the source. Always take a camera and document anything suspicious. Take pictures of the car vandalism. Mike Castro is not smart -he will be caught.by Paul P. - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Jon, I would seriously consider going another route to Deep Creek. Vehicles get vandalized at the spillway on a regular basis.by Paul P. - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
I'll be the first to admit I'm not well versed in gun control laws, but isn't it a requirement that California gun owners have a permit? Does Mike Castro have a permit? If not, what are the legal implications?by Paul P. - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Celtfire's last response infers to what Gail has been saying all along.. that Mike Castro is an informant for the BLM and is paid by them to ensure that there is no "trouble" at Deep Creek. Apparently, Mike Castro and BLM Ranger Barry Nelson have a "cozy" relationship. You throw in all the controversy with the alleged corruption in the San Bernardino County Sheriff's officby Paul P. - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Hot Tub Cause of Man's Serious Lung Infection Mon February 10, 2003 04:21 PM ET NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - A severe lung infection caused by bacteria growing in a patient's hot tub highlights the importance of following guidelines for maintaining the tubs, according to Wisconsin researchers. The 40-year-old man went to the emergency room after developing symptoms including fever, chills and aby Paul P. - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California