AZ, As DCR says above, I beleive we as a group came to the decision that it would be best at this time for Kartrina and Mike Castro to be excluded from this group we are working on so that we can develop independently of these two parties that have been at odds with eachother over various issues. Jobe was someone who showed initial interest in the group and suggested some things. However the group has proceeded in a direction of deciding things on a concensus basis as described by Sycamore. AZ, you are very pro Mike Castro and Jobe is very pro Katrina. Since neither of you have been specifically excluded from the group both of you are free to be involved if you wish. It is important however that the group continue to concentrate on issues of how to help DCHS specifically and not diverge to other arguments that do not take us in a direction of solutions that can help the springs. In regards to where Jobe has been lately, why should that be a concern of ours ( the group ). Jobe is free to come and go as he wishes just as you are. This is a volunteer group. He has no obligation to post here on a regular basis.