AZ, People at any forum site will express thier own opinions if that forum is open, as this one is. This other forum you suggest would be no differant. It is common practice for sites to be linked. Rick already has a disclaimer at the top of this page stating that what is posted here is the opinion of the authors of the post. Rick's site can be found through Katrina's site, it can also be found independently in search engines like yahoo, the same place people would find Katrina's site. You in your post above show that you are heavily biased toward Mike Castro' side or position. There are other's here that would side with Katrina, so what. We have stated in our group brochure that we intend on staying out of these contentious issues. That will be something to work on no matter what forum we would be talking on. There is no need to make a new one. You have already told me once that you were done with this group effort. If you want to be part of it fine. You don't need to tell us over and over that your outta here if things don't go the way you like em. I don't recall anyone talking about having a seperate website for this group yet. What if the person who offered to set this web site up was buddy, buddy with Mike Castro, like you for instance. I know you have been working on creating a Deep Creek Site. Should we in that instance say, no way AZ, your to close to Mike Castro and we want no part of it. You talk about not wanting to be part of any agenda's. Look at your post above, whats all that stuff bad mouthing Katrina got to do with the hotsprings and helping out down there. If there's anyones agenda we need to watch it will be your attempts to keep injecting your bad feelings toward Katrina. I would say your getting off track :-) This forum is a fine, open place to talk and share opinions. If a new website was sought by the group then we will vote on that when the time comes. You just want to exclude anything that even has a loosnit connection with Katrina. Next you will be asking that certain members be excluded from this group because the may side with Katrina on certain issues. Then those that side with katrina can ask that those close to Mike Castro be removed, what group will you have then. I think most of those here have shown that they are basically tired of the back and forth argueing we have seen here on the forum over the Katrina/Castro issue or who owns what land etc and we are more inclined to just stay off those subjects and concentrate our efforts on developing this group so we can make some real progress on this issue of helping the springs.