Thanx Jobe for the knee advice :-) Perhaps Katrina may know what law pertains to the rule the USFS has that says that there is no camping within 1 mile of Deep Creek. I think it has something to do with the endangered Arroyo Toad. I'll try to remember to ask Brad about it next time I talk to him. I'll give Dorthy your good wishes for Mothers Day. It sounds like you won't be making our first meeting. I'm sure you are quite busy. My knee is feeling really good today. I'm so happy that it has healed so quickly. I will be more careful with it in the future. I am presently down in Mission Viejo at my wife dads house. He is in the hospital having had a portion of his liver removed because of cancer. The Munchkins played all day swimming in the pool here and warming up in the hot tub in between. I may get a chance to visit with Ron tomorrow down at San Onofre nude beach area. He hit DCHS today and will go to San Onofre tomorrow. I'd like to see what that nude beach is like and it would be great to get in a visit with Ron too :-) Well Jobe I'm glad to say the spoonfull of pixie dust I took earlier is really got my mind cleared up. I have to admit that I drank more that one gulp of box car reserve though to wash it down :-) Hope to see ya soon Jobe :-)