We actually encountered those ppl at bowen ranch. They quickly drove past the pay signs and Sycamore came over to get their money. They refused to pay per person and were very rude and threw a beer can right in front of her then called her a bitch and told her to give them their money back and left for the freedom trail. They were nice to us and actually gave us some water for our dog. Well the teen did, the adults said no. We saw joe when he was leaving in his car Sunday and he didn't mention anything like that to us. But I'll double check. The springs are getting to crowded for me now. Even in the middle of the week it's crowded.