Hello Alan, it has been a long while since we last met, I still have your e-mail address. I'll get in touch with you when I head back to Goldstrike or Arizona Hotsprings. I went with another person I met at DCHS who lives there in the Vegas area. He goes to those springs alot too. Maybe you guys could get together for those hikes. If your interested I can get in touch with him and see what he thinks, take care :-)