Paul, first I stated in my last post that I had not noticed " any " post where you or sycamore had said one word in a negative fashion toward AZ. So apparently all that he has posted here is ok by you folks. Whats the point of your second paragraph. I have done numerous post in a caring manner of what DCHS means to me. Your second paragraph makes no point. In reference to you third paragraph, I stay on designated roads and you are wrong on the second point in that paragraph, the public can hike " anywhere " with in Forest Service lands. You don't " have " to stay on the trails. Concerning your forth paragraph, I don't know, or control what any " dedicated " locals do with thier time. Thats got nothing to do with me. Regarding your fith paragraph, as far as I'm concerned, the group will put efforts toward acheiving what is stated in the brochure. The group is a volunteer effort. If you want to take on some other project, be my guest. Concerning your sixth paragraph, why don't you state clearly what I am doing so I can address what point you are trying to make. Regarding your seventh paragraph, I contacted Ranger Brad about this group, he did not contact me. He likes the DCHS area and feels a group of concerned visitors could be a positive influence on the area, thats it. Perhaps you and AZ have been sharing conspiracy theories. Also, please describe for me, any first hand knowledge, not stories, of how I am getting out of hand. Regarding your eight paragraph. Katrina has a right to express here point of veiw, at her website. It is her decision on what will be its content. There have already been a number of people in previous post that say they have no problem if this forum is listed as a link on the brochure. There is nothing being controlled on this forum and everyone is free to speak thier mind. Any other forum you would prepose would be exactly the same if it were open too. There is no need to have another one. This one is already established in the internet and is known by many people. Regarding your last paragraph, give me a break Paul, that post is nonsense, what, nothing to comment on about things said to me by this Kary person within that post. For example, what do my sunglasses have to do with anything we are discussing here, its a juvenile comment, the rest of that post shows a similiar tone. But there ya go, this person goes through the Bowen Ranch. I appears to me that there is always some special consideration and lack of negative feedback against those who go through the Bowen Ranch when you and Sycamore respond. Of course for that wild, out of control rebel Wizard who goes out on those devious open routes and actually hikes off the trails through the forest, there's plenty of negative feedback from you. Thats ok, I've always taken my own route in life so I can stay true to what I beleive in. Being a follower was never my style.