OMG's suggestions: 1. GPS permission registry 2. Having riders wear big fabric numbers 3. Having the offense follow the owner of the toy 4. Electronic tracker on the bike How would you facilitate identification and improve compliance, Dan?by mojavegreen - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Dan asks, "Is your land posted or fenced?" I am not sure who you are addressing, Dan, but if you are talking to me, the answer is "Yes" and "For the most part". Sometimes fences are set well inside the property on more level terrain to facilitate installation. Generally, property owners in the region have found posting to be futile. Fencing is not common as insby mojavegreen - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Dan, I wouldn't know where to start in responding. You have a litany of grievances and I suspect there is nothing that I could say that would make any difference. Yes, extreme views are held on both sides, but you are quick to charge those seeking middle ground of being extremists. That should give you a sense of your own relative position. Lighten up, my friend! Mojaveby mojavegreen - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
OMG writes, "It would no longer be a big joke on law enforcement and the community. -to not be able to identify and prosecute the perp." Anonymity is key to bad behavior as helmets and riding gear make it almost impossible to identify offenders. The rider who cut a trail through Laughing Bear's property took little risk. If a visual ID device is impractical, does technology offer anby mojavegreen - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Laughing Bear writes, "I also believe that people like Dan share the responsibility for this retaliation by fanning the flames of extremism in my direction." If you get involved in the OHV team, Dan, you will find that there are a number of loose nuts out there. They respond to inflammatory rhetoric and are of concern to local residents. Mojaveby mojavegreen - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
The title of this thread "Improving Off-road Compliance". Allen has suggested D37 participation in the Roxie Trost's OHV volunteer program. Any other suggestions of a positive nature? (Side issues and arguments for and against the County ordinance are getting old.)by mojavegreen - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Hope Rick is not going by the time stamp to set his alarm clock, Allen. If so, he was up real early this morning!by mojavegreen - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Big Ed writes, "Perhaps because I don't live in Los Angeles County, nor have I recreated there for 33 years as I have in San Bernardino County." Are you a resident of San Bernardino County? Mojaveby mojavegreen - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Good advice, Big Ed. I've had some try for adverse possession, but none with the cajones to pull it off. Mojaveby mojavegreen - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
I found it, Big Ed: ยง 325. Adverse possession; claim of title not founded upon written instrument, etc.; occupancy of land For the purpose of constituting an adverse possession by a person claiming title, not founded upon a written instrument, judgment, or decree, land is deemed to have been possessed and occupied in the following cases only: First--Where it has been protected by a subby mojavegreen - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Why not? Neon works in Vegas!by mojavegreen - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Allen writes, "Please try to avoid causing a problem with misleading posts. I would hate to see this message board become a victim of tit for tat postings as has occurred on other boards. I think the most important thing we can and should do here, is attempt to find solutions to the problems on both sides and work at implementing them." Amen, Brother! Mojaveby mojavegreen - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Big Ed writes, "Law in California says that after 5 years of paying property taxes with no record of dispute, you are the owner." Would you mind citing the specific law? Thanks, Mojaveby mojavegreen - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Big Ed writes, "It is reasonable to expect an owner, who does not want people on their land, to place signs every 1/3 mile or so. They don't have to be ugly or unsightly, and it's the law everywhere except San Bernardino County. As you may know, local ordinances that conflict with either State or Federal laws are null and void." I challenge the accuracy of that statement. Los Angelesby mojavegreen - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Big Ed writes, "Fences may be cut and signs may be destroyed in semi-urban areas such as Juniper Flats. But in the open desert, this rarely occurs. For the most part, most of these have been in place for decades. It's provided for in PC 602." As you acknowledge, fence cutting and sign destruction are commonplace in semi-urban areas. That is why Ordinance 3973 enjoys the support of a mby mojavegreen - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Hi Big Ed, Given that easier identification would be a boon to law enforcement, what do you suggest? Mojaveby mojavegreen - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
OMG writes, "I was advised by the sheriff that brandishing a weapon is not ok. Actually, he was advising a delicate looking woman in her 80's and I just happened to be there." The Old West meets a lawbreaker waving his finger. Fortunately for him, new laws protect him from getting a Darwin award. Mojaveby mojavegreen - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Thanks for the offer to help, Allen. It is important to first coordinate your activities with the Barstow BLM Office. Some maps in circulation are incorrect and include trails that have been rehabbed. BLM will provide you with the current maps and brief you on the current problem areas. A briefing by BLM's Chief Law Enforcement Ranger will avoid some of the problems we have experienced in tby mojavegreen - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
OMG writes, "ORVers and a lot of other people (I yelled at the PG&E guy for driving up to my power box) took it for granted that the desert has no value and could do whatever they want with it." Those who walk the desert, live in the desert, or who have quietly observed a pre-sunrise desert creature wake up will likely have an expanded appreciation of the desert. A common responseby mojavegreen - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Big Ed writes, "Better with numbers on existing number plates, which exist on nearly any dirt bike." Agreed, Big Ed. But existing number plates do not provide positive ID. Would you be in favor of requiring highly visible ID of that format along with vehicle registration? Mojaveby mojavegreen - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Allen writes, "Is there a possibility that the BLM would allow a small group of these D37 peers to ride into these areas you speak of, to setup a checkpoint of sorts that would allow us to contact everybody that goes in there?" BLM has found it difficult to maintain signage in this region, and positive peer presence is an intelligent alternative. A "checkpoint" is a good ideby mojavegreen - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Hi Allen, The present level on non-compliance would discourage most private property owners from granting permission for an open route across their property. In answer to those concerns, how would you propose to address non-compliance and to discourage non-permitted use of these routes? (Facilitating identification of vehicles seems a key to effectiveness, but has met with resistance from withby mojavegreen - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Hi Allen, The fact is that there are no cross country OHV routes other than those across BLM lands is something that the OHV community should be working, not property owners. Generally, right-of-ways are negotiated for favored routes. My original question remains un-answered, "Speaking as both fellow OHV enthusiast and property owner, would you agree that carrying written permission isby mojavegreen - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Count the number of plastic water bottles at these finger-pointer events. Mojaveby mojavegreen - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Thanks for clearing away the bad feelings, gentlemen. Allen has offered the following suggestions: !. County would provide list of property owners along a chosen route and how best to contact them. 2. County to administer a program to get blanket approval signed by the affected property owners, giving permission for anybody that wishes to traverse only, across their properties. Users wouldby mojavegreen - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Almost forgot, Al. Happy Birthday! Mojaveby mojavegreen - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
I wrote, "I am reposting this last entry under a new thread entitled "Improving Off-Road Compliance". Attempted resolution of personality conflicts should rightfully remain in the old thread. Thanks, Mojaveby mojavegreen - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Hi Al, While bad feelings are understandable, we have an opportunity to set them aside and cooperate in dealing with this issue. I was going to respond to your earlier postings, but Wizard did such an excellent job, I will cut to the chase. How about this for a starting point: In this region, non-compliant riders have been willfully trespassing and evading prosecution under Section 602 PC byby mojavegreen - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
I am reposting this last entry under a new thread entitled "Improving Off-Road Compliance". Mojaveby mojavegreen - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California
Hi Al, While bad feelings are understandable, we have an opportunity to set them aside and cooperate in dealing with this issue. I was going to respond to your earlier postings, but Wizard did such an excellent job, I will cut to the chase. How about this for a starting point: In this region, non-compliant riders have been willfully trespassing and evading prosecution under Section 602 PC bby mojavegreen - Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California