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Seeing through the dust storms

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April 10, 2004 10:12PM
We are seeking the truth through all the dust storms that the opposing parties are kicking up to confuse people. We want to look at the facts and evidence. Where do you start looking? At the satellite photos to see what is on the ground, roads, trails, places, fences, boundaries, that is where you go when you need to find out about whether a trail exists. In addition, you look at various maps and compare them to the satellite photos.

Just as an example, Laughbear recently said there was no trail, but now he says there is a trail but it was created by cattle. Now, how do we know that for sure? Who created the trail?

You can't tell me that the residents of the Village didn't ride horses to town across Juniper Flats using the very trail that we are speaking of. Then Mojavegreen has been saying that this trail crossed private property. In looking at the satellite photo and maps, we find that this is not true either.

Then we find out that many of Mojavegreen's "KEEP OUT" signs along the powerline road are located on public land, not even close to the boundary of his private property. These "KEEP OUT" signs are painted in black on top of white paint on the boulders, defacing public property, isn't that graffitti?

I never asked you for exact locations of the burial sites. However, you and Laughingbear represent that J1299 goes right through a burial site near Cottonwood Springs. I asked you for locations in relation to J1299. What is wrong with saying well there is one burial site about 2 miles from J1299. What is wrong with that?

We don't believe that there is a burial site is near the rockshelter. I am not suggesting that these sites be marked. I am suggesting that there are other possible solutions to these concerns that should be considered.

Until the facts about the origins of this trail are clear, you can not go any further in addressing your concerns. If this is clearly an illegal trail then you go this way. If this is an existing trail near sensitive areas inappropriate to motorized use then you go another way.

We are following logical steps to find out the truth before we can proceed any further. Until I know the facts, I do not know what my position would be on this trail. If you don't know where you started, you will never get to your destination.

Why are you so defensive in response to my questions? Are you hiding something? Insecure with your position? If you were secure with your position and facts, you would welcome this discussion.

I will continue to find out for myself what the facts are about this trail and related issues and will share my findings with others on the forum.

Have you done any fence repairs lately or are you in default with your agreement with the United States Government?


katrina island 862April 04, 2004 09:49PM

Re:The sacred path

LaughingBear 532April 05, 2004 06:39AM

Gary 471April 06, 2004 03:29PM

Sacred Cave Trail

katrina island 561April 07, 2004 03:42AM

Re: Sacred Cave Trail

mojavegreen 641April 07, 2004 07:28AM

mojavegreen and the red neck cowboy

katrina island 568April 08, 2004 09:44PM

Re: Burial at dead crow rockshelter

LaughingBear 535April 08, 2004 06:12AM

Ursus Arctos Horribilis

katrina island 589April 08, 2004 04:55PM

Re: burial site

sycamorelaughing 541April 10, 2004 12:36PM

Re: burial site

katrina island 551April 10, 2004 01:51PM

Re: burial site

mojavegreen 488April 10, 2004 02:57PM

Re: Illegal Tresspass

LaughingBear 535April 09, 2004 06:10AM

mojavegreen's keep out signs seen from space

katrina island 627April 10, 2004 02:05AM

LaughingBear 521April 09, 2004 06:20AM

Re: Absence of J1299 noted

LaughingBear 537April 10, 2004 09:27AM

J1299 trail on left side of satellite photo?

katrina island 608April 10, 2004 01:59PM

Re: J1299 trail on left side of satellite photo?

katrina island 578April 10, 2004 02:30PM

Trailmix, I meant to say this trail

katrina island 477April 10, 2004 03:45PM

Seeing through the dust storms

katrina island 1232April 10, 2004 10:12PM

Re: Seeing through the dust storms

mojavegreen 614April 10, 2004 10:42PM

Re: J1299 trail on left side of satellite photo?

mojavegreen 585April 10, 2004 02:30PM

LaughingBear 551April 10, 2004 03:29PM

LaughingBear 539April 10, 2004 03:44PM

concrete proof

LaughingBear 600April 10, 2004 11:41PM

LaughingBear 900April 11, 2004 12:02AM

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