Blue Corn, So you descibe the discussions at this forum as being " the worst of this modern america ". Your assesment is an exageration to the extreme. This is a simple discussion forum, people talk about thier ideas on a variety of differant subjects. If it displeases you to read whats here, its real simple, don't access this site. If you would like to spend the time, and discuss in some detail, why, you disagree with what " I " have said, then have at it. Your vague references to my ideas as not being clearly thought out, and that my questions about the Bowen Ranch Business as making me lawyer like, explains nothing about your position. Maybe you think that the world is all about spending endless time in a peaceful outdoor environment, you imagine that the people in this world will all get along without there being various laws or rules to see that people respect " other " peoples spaces and lives, but the reality is, there are a bunch of folks, with differant ideas on life, that live on this sphere, and there will always be rules and laws developed by societies to curtail a state of anarchy and lawlessness within the masses. The closest your going to come to a place where no laws or rules exist is in your private time, on your own, out in the open outdoor places you express you like to spend time in. So you can disparage me all you want to, I come here to discuss things in a more specific manner than your musings of a world without structure, or rules. You remind me of that John Lennon song " Let It Be ". It offers up an appealing sentiment, the fact is, the people in this world will " always " have conflict. This dream that all folks will one day be walking hand in hand, with flowers in thier hair, singing happy songs together is truly just a dream. Perhaps its a hard lesson for you, after coming out of your privacy in the outdoor expanses, but thats just life Blue Corn.