I was there that day a long time ago.......it was insanity and yes, John Ware pulled all kinds of stunts.....as far as others go, I remember that William always roamed around the hills with a semi-automatic rifle strapped to his body and created a bunker like "fort" at the old Moss Ranch. It was never an actual mill, that was all pretend. One of his associates was arrested for an incident involving a firearm pointed at one of the Grams kids there at the old "Moss Mill". The area does have a history of a lot of crazyness and William contributed his share. It make me wonder why he continues to hide behind the skirt of "Katrina" and not stand up like a man on this forum.