Ron's dog reminds me of my wifes dog Tank who died last year. He loved going to Deep Creek and was the ultimate water dog. We became convinced that Tank had a radar in his head that allowed him to accurately position himself in a perfect way to shake the most possible water on you once he got out of the creek. Didn't matter if you were 10 feet, 50 feet or 150 feet away from the water, he would find you before he shook! If you were moving, he would follow you till you stopped, then he would move into position, and do the deed :-) Ron, I know I'm the Wizard with the grabber tool, who is this Van guy with the grabber tool? Does he want to have a competition in picking up trash :-) Glad to hear that you and Gary had a great day at DCHS. I think the idea of a set up photo, capturing all the qualities we are looking for in the logo could very well offer the best option of getting everything we want in the picture. Be good to take a shot like this with a quality camera with an experienced photographer. I have a friend who used to frequent the springs alot who has worked doing still photography for many years. He might be interested in doing the photograph. If we choose to try and do this I could ask him. Thanks for your trip report Ron :-)