Ron, your a good guy and you have put alot of effort into this group thing. So, I'm gonna do a classic AZ Mike flip flop, and get back on board to do what I can to help out. I won't be able to do that joke on AZ anymore " are you in or out of the group, this week? ". I'll continue to do the contact work with brad if thats what the group wants. I guess in reality, gettin in and out of this volunteer group is not that hard a thing after all ,and thats a good thing, no signup. It was just was bothernin me to " bail " on you, so to speak, after all the work you have put into this. I know I have been a bit amped lately and on the attack on the forum, I'll do my best to chill out. Even though I am inclined to defend my position I'm going to have to just ignore some of the negative stuff to keep my peace of mind and concentrate on the positive steps to help you in your efforts, thats the plan anyway :-) All these arguments are just not good. So, I'll join ya after all at the springs on Sunday. If nothin else it will be good to see you again and we can pick up some trash like we did last time. My vote for the name will be #1 - DCHS Volunters, #2 - DCHS Alliance, #3 - Deep Creek Volunteers. As long as there is a guy like you in the group Ron, it makes me want to be there helpin ya too :-) Thanks for your efforts :-)