Dammit, If this person Linda chooses to call me a liar, then I will reasonably ask her to explain what brings her to say such a thing. I go to the springs in peace, I do not seek conflict there. Defending myself here is not a matter of ego. The point of this forum is for the sharing of ideas, people will always disagree to some amount. I make my points, they are free to make thiers. The veiwers of these conversations will make up thier own mind what makes sense to them. I agree with you that the springs should be a place were we share its peace and serenity with others. That is my objective whenever I go to that area of Deep Creek.