Laughing Bear, You mentioned above that there was a conversation between Gail and your friend. Did all of this take place at some kind of meeting? Was your friend that talked with Gail with the Sierra Club? I know from dealing with Brad Burns that he is an important ally in helping us retain DCHS as a clothing optional environment. We could be dealing with someone in his position that takes a hard line on nudity, meaning not allowed, in the springs area. As I have found recently in talking briefly with these other agencies about thier policy concerning DCHS they are much more resolved that public nudity in a place like DCHS should not be allowed. I'm sure it is clear to all of us that there are many folks out there that do think the people getting nude at DCHS are a bunch of wierdos. Of course we know that the vast majority of these naked folks are fine people. I've seen negative reactions like this in conversations with people when I've mentioned the springs and that it is a clothing optional environment. I'd like to hear more about this situation concerning Katrina and Barbara Boxer. Perhaps Katrina will come along to tell her side of this situation.