AZ, We have both not abided certain Forest Service rules in the past. Now as representatives of a group that will, if it forms, be advising people of what the rules are, it is important that all of us within this group do as we preach. That is what I intend on doing. Also I think Brad has shown that he wants to help us any way he can to keep DCHS open and a clothing optional environment. I appreciate his efforts and I want to show him the respect of following his rules. I have told Brad this very thing in my recent conversations with him. So be my guest and turn me in if you see me violating one of the Forest Service rules. I'm sure you will spring into action if you get the chance :-) You say that Mike Castro is afraid, whats that saying, " you reap what you sow ". So what is Mike Castro afraid of, Katrina :-) AZ, on all the other issues you discussed, you will never get the big picture, see ya at the springs :-)