AZ, I think Ricks Forum will be fine for a communication point. His site is independent of Katrina's web site. Just because it is listed as a link on her site does not make this forum part of that site. If another forum was developed and was open to all points of veiw, as this one is, then it would be the same thing. Now what if Katrina put the new forum on her site as a link for the benefit of those who might visit her site. Then would you propose that the new site would not be used because it would, as you say, be " linked " to Katrina's site or would you try and tell Katrina that she couldn't put your new forum on her site as a link. A new forum would experience the same kind of things this forum has in terms of disagreements unless you intend on censoring it. AZ, I proposed a short paragraph just explaining briefly the status of the nudity at DCHS when it comes to the Forest Service, Sheriffs, BLM, CPS or the Fish and game. Various people I have talked to so far were completely supprised that they could possibly be cited or arrested while in the DCHS area if they were to come upon and agency that takes a harder line on nudity or on the issue of nude adults in front of minors. Brad has said already that he thinks it would be a good idea to mention this issue in the brochure. You show your lack of concern for this situation by referring to our discussion of this subject as " yakking ". It is an important subject that should be included on the brochure, especially when it comes to families. In my veiw the San Onofre handout is very well done and contains pertinent information that a visitor would appreciate knowing. If the brochure is made to short then it really doesn't inform the visitor of much. Brad has said that he really likes what he has seen in this second draft and has made no mention of it being too long. Paul, you suggest that we all park in the same spot, as in park on the Ranch property? I park on the open public routes. I do not find it an amusing situation that peoples cars are being vandalized. I travel the open routes alot and see very few people out there. I find the four incidents of broken windows in the last year to be suspicious in thier frequency and location. Its criminal activity, it may show an agenda, and its not funny.