Wizard, I see from your response to Naked Man that you are saying just what I was saying, that point of entry does not make people "good" or "bad"...but I don't think I've explained myself all that well, or it would have been more clear what I was saying. Of course, when you participate in a group clean-up effort and all the people involved came in through Bowen, and then when shortly after you read an opinion that most of the "bad" people access the springs that way, well I think you might reasonably feel that a lot of good people were just painted with the wrong paintbrush. That is how I felt and the reason I responded was because I did not feel that that was your intention. (to be insulting)