Well this proves it, Wizard with his magical wisdom can see the future. Getting us all together was not going to be easy. Viejo Bill and Joe can't make the 18th. and Wizard and DCR can't make June 1st. If we wait till everyone is available this first meeting may never take place. With this in mind I would like to propose that those of us that can still meet on the 18th and share our ideas. So far it would be only three of us, but maybe Naked Man or Paul could still make it. We would use all the views already shared on the phorum by others and nothing decided then would be set in stone. However it would allow us to share ideas and then post our discusions and sugestions to this website. We could then have a follow up meeting some time in June as needed and maybe we can get to meet other members then. Wizard and DCR are you still up for this? Are the rest of you OK with this approach? It may be the only way to get this group off the ground.