Ron, I prefer the approach that looks at things realistically. I have above, in several post, just made an observation about how I feel on an issue, specifically the fact that there should always be an option of access from the north to the springs, besides the Bowen Ranch. I'm not burning bridges, I'm just stating my opinion as I always have since I have been frequenting this forum. My point above is simple and sensible. My words voice and observation, not a complaint. If certain people don't agree with what I've written, thats fine, but this forum is for expressing ideas. I don't call people names and I lay it on the line the way I see it. Thats what you will get from me. Now I am encouraged by these efforts to start a group to bring people together to help the springs. As far as I'm concerned anyone can be involved as long as they show respect for others in the group and allow all and equal opportunity for input. It should be a democratic affair. When I say all that means Castro, Katrina, Tanya, Kevin who ever, but some may choose not to be involved with this group we are starting for thier own personal reasons. That is thier choice. I have hopes that these new efforts we have put toward forming a new group will lead to something that will last and be a long term positive force that will help preserve Deep Creek and the Springs themselves. That is what I hope for and that is my opinion. Ron, after all this has been said, don't think that I don't respect your opinion. I'm looking forward to our first meeting and am hopeful that we will be a collection of people that will make a differance at these springs we love.