Re: DCHS etiquette

Mellowguy, It appears you keep referencing a guidline from the DCV website handout material. I am one of the original DCV members and was at the meetings at DCHS when these guidlines were chosen by those of us members present to be part of our brochure. I can tell you that the guidline you are refering to has nothing to do with couples seeking private romantic time having some " special " status which should give them the right to compel others ( single men or women, other couples, etc ) to leave the hotpool they are in. This guidline for DCV is akin to the basic Naturist Society guidline which is similar since Ron who was considered the group " coordinator " is a member of the Naturist Society as I am too. Also our group for a time was listed as affiliated with the Naturist Society and we were shown in the list of affiliated groups in their quarterly magazine nowadays called " N ". This rule/guidline you reference is about showing the " general " courtesy of not monopolizing another person/couple/groups time or privacy when you are clearly not welcome. This guidline has nothing to do with romantic couples forcing single men to leave DCHS Hotpools. You are clearly mistaken on this point.

You wrote above this, " I did, however, hope that this basic point of etiquette would have a slight positive effect. Instead, it appears that my post has become counter-productive to my original intent, in sending a public message from all the responders here that a single guy has the green light at DCHS to be as rude as he wants to be. ". So ALL of us responded such that we indicate that we think single guys should have the green light to be as rude as they want? I have read all the responses and I don't see where ANYBODY has said that.

You wrote, " Conversely, I also think it is selfish for a single guy to voyeuristically prey on a couple or single woman for the better part of a day, not leaving them alone for even a few minutes, at times when the place is not so crowded. That has been my point throughout this topic stream ". You expressing this point that you in general feel single men should show courtesy to single women and couples has not been your only point ( which no one here has disagreed with, if you think so show the comment that does ). The other " main " point that you have been harping on is that single men should leave a hotpool if there are other hotpools available " just " because the couple ( in your mind ) have more of a right to enjoy romantic time in that particular space.

Regarding this, to my minds eye the various hotpools at DCHS do not all hold the same appeal for me. The Womb is by far my favorite and for the most part that is where I do my soaking. So lets say me the single guy is there soaking ( whether I was there first or just arriving ) and a couple is there. The couple wants private romantic time, so by your apprasial and wrong interpretation of the Naturist Society basic guidlilne I must add, you think I should remove myself from that hotpool and go to another hotpool which has less appeal to me. Thats just plain ridiculous. If this couple wants this private time of their own self interst and there are other hotpools available then I think it is sensible courtesy that they are the ones that should find the other less crowed location to have their fun. The DCHS hotpools are a core part of the reason many people go to this outdoor destination and sensibly they should be available to ALL visitors, without romantic couples existing on some tier of importance above others.

Once again nothing here I have written says rude behavior should not be addressed and dealt with in whatever fashion that makes sense, but if a polite and respectful single male ( or female for that matter ) is in a hotpool with a couple seeking private romance, the single guy/female does not exist on some lower rung of " rights " as far as using the hotpool. And another thing, you talk like in your world the women never oggle the men. I have been to plenty of clothing optional venues like for example Burning Man nine times ( which I just returned from - clothing optional with around 45,000 people in attendance ) and anyone with a brain knows the women check out the naked men too, its just that they are not " generally " quite as obvious about it. Of course there are single dudes in any clothing optional environment that are just plain rude jerks in their behavior who make a complete nusiance of themselves in one way or another, including creating an uncomfortable and even in some cases threatening presence when it comes to their demeanor around nude women. Thats what your gonna get anywhere you go regarding clothing optional gatherings unless its some highly regulated setting. I would say everyone who has responded to your comments is completely on board with the concept that rude, uncourteous and offensive behavior is not acceptable. But this does not translate into a courteos couple seeking romance in a DCHS hotpool having the assumed " right " to excluded another courteous single be they male or female from that same hotpool.

Privacy in this guidline you reference does not refer to anybody leaving hotpools. Its like if you are there and there is a couple on the other side of the hotpool and you can see they don't want to socialize and want to keep to themselves, then leave them alone to do that, whether this be in any of the hotpools or anywhere else for that matter. But you also have to realize that their reasonable expectation of private " space " is sensibly limited in such a public place as DCHS. From reading all that you have written here it seems that " single men " are the bane of your existance :-) DCHS is not a highly contolled place by any stretch of the imagination, and this provides for the many things we cherish about it, but also brings with it the various ills that come from humans expressing untethered freedoms. You want private romantic space then you can definitely find it. You just have to learn where and when it exist in this place or that, without trying to alter things you can not sensibly change.

And lastly you referred to the responses here to what you have brought up as an angry stone wall ( or something close to this ). So is that your normal response to people who just happen to disagree with you on a few points?



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 09/07/2010 09:23PM by Wizard.