July 17, 2007 10:12AM | IP/Host: ---.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net Registered: 15 years ago Posts: 2 |
Ed writes, "We first have to be realistic about who is moderate and who is an extremist. Then we have to have completely honest dialogue. Without these two things, there can be no agreement, and there will be constant war."
Dan, on one extreme, there are those frustrated with escalating destruction of public and private land and see closures as the only viable solution.
On the other extreme, you have those who ride illegally in a defiant manner, sometimes engaging in retaliation against "the enemy".
In the middle ground are moderates who advocate cooperation. SB Co Ordinance 3973 exemplifies cooperation between stakeholders including CORVA, Ecologic, ARR, COW, FOJF, residents, property owners, etc.
You apparently characterize yourself as a moderate while charging Laughing Bear with extremism, i. e. that he "belongs to and supports some of the most radical anti-OHV environmental groups that exist". Are ARR, COW and FOJF included in that condemnation?
Mojave
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