AZ, First question, beleive me or Mike, does it really matter what you beleive since you flip flop your opinion so much :-) Your second point Hmmmm, so when I mention how folks can access legally around the ranch, thats advertisment, but when it is mentioned on basically all the sites how to access through the Bowen Ranch, thas something else? The JF3 trail is hazardous, now I now your smokin somthin :-) Doesn't matter if you see the Bowen Ranch handout as an advertisment, because it is one. Ah, the JF3 trail presents a burden to rescue agencies and to Mike Castro himself. AZ I must ask, do you really read what you write. Are you really suggesting that the JF3 trail is more dangerous than the Bowen Ranch trail, are you that far gone? Your last paragraph is simply to stupid to even respong too. Mike Castro, you absolutely need a better spokesperson :-)