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<description> What does Deep Creek Hot Springs mean to you?
Post your response on the forum. If you do not want your response openly seen on this forum, then email it to my personal email address shown.
Mike Castro, Emmett Berg and I, (Arizona Mike) will get together to produce, what Deep Creek Hot Springs means to you. We've seen Mr. Emmett's recent L.A. Times article and many of you were unhappy of what was reported. It's not too late to change some it. It can be re-repoted.
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<title>Re: One More Chance </title><link>https://deepcreekhotsprings.net/dchs/forum/read.php?1,3139,3242#msg-3242</link><description><![CDATA[ There he is again talking about someone with their pants down! Is this a fixation??? or what???]]></description>
<dc:creator>DCR </dc:creator>
<category>Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California</category><pubDate>Sun, 28 Jul 2002 20:13:07 -0700</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: One More Chance </title><link>https://deepcreekhotsprings.net/dchs/forum/read.php?1,3139,3200#msg-3200</link><description><![CDATA[ Don't tell me about rules!! You're one that was caught with your pants down.]]></description>
<dc:creator>Arizona Mike </dc:creator>
<category>Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California</category><pubDate>Sat, 27 Jul 2002 10:56:39 -0700</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: One More Chance </title><link>https://deepcreekhotsprings.net/dchs/forum/read.php?1,3139,3192#msg-3192</link><description><![CDATA[ Awwww Emmets story was just that.A story.]]></description>
<dc:creator>Laughing Bear </dc:creator>
<category>Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California</category><pubDate>Fri, 26 Jul 2002 22:33:18 -0700</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: One More Chance </title><link>https://deepcreekhotsprings.net/dchs/forum/read.php?1,3139,3180#msg-3180</link><description><![CDATA[ AZ, get your information correct. This quarter mile rule thing was a figment of your imagination. I was following the Forest Service policy the night I was confronted by the &quot; sheriffs &quot;. If the Forest Service policy was the &quot; only &quot; policy that effected the Forest Service area, I would not have ever had this situation occur. I followed all the Forest Service recomendations for how to conduct yourself regarding nudity in thier area in that situation of last weekend. The fact is, thier are multiple agencis that can enforce laws in the Forest Service lands. The Forest Service needs to tell people this when they talk about what people can expect regarding nudity in these Forest Service land. I'm sure most people would think that if they were told policy by a Forest Service reprsentative about how they should conduct themselves regarding nudity in thier lands that this would be the only policy that would come into play. The reality is, that this is not true. If you doubt what I'm saying about this quarter mile rule of &quot; yours &quot;, call Brad Burns yourself.]]></description>
<dc:creator>Wizard</dc:creator>
<category>Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California</category><pubDate>Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:13:14 -0700</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: One More Chance </title><link>https://deepcreekhotsprings.net/dchs/forum/read.php?1,3139,3175#msg-3175</link><description><![CDATA[ Well Sycamore, I would like to know, because hopefully when our new group forms, we'll have some unique information to translate or present to other visitors that do not understand etiquette at DCHS.<br /><br />By compiling all these short stories such as yours, we gather vital information of our own and then we can jam it back at those who are disrespectful of DCHS in our brochure.<br /><br />You know, there's so many visitors annually visiting DCHS and really no one has ever asked me nor have I ever asked anyone else about what the springs means to us.<br /><br />I am still working on my version of the brochure and just looking for a little extra info from others. I doubt if the information I collect will go very far, (newspapers) but then who knows. I do want to speak with Emmett Berg yet.<br /><br />By the way, thanks again for your input and I may post what DCHS means to me later today, after I wake-up and get some coffee in me. I'm head'n fer bed! Later, ........Az]]></description>
<dc:creator>Arizona Mike </dc:creator>
<category>Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California</category><pubDate>Fri, 26 Jul 2002 01:59:26 -0700</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: One More Chance </title><link>https://deepcreekhotsprings.net/dchs/forum/read.php?1,3139,3174#msg-3174</link><description><![CDATA[ Great Sycamore! Thanks for sharing and I have very similiar feelings as you mentioned.]]></description>
<dc:creator>Arizona Mike </dc:creator>
<category>Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California</category><pubDate>Fri, 26 Jul 2002 01:35:58 -0700</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: One More Chance </title><link>https://deepcreekhotsprings.net/dchs/forum/read.php?1,3139,3173#msg-3173</link><description><![CDATA[ Wiz, Blusky is Katrina and / or Wm Swiess.<br /><br />I have ways to get to Mr. Berg and then we'll see what Blusky, I mean Katrina is saying is true or not. Actually it doesn't make any difference if it gets published, I personally would just like to hear from DC Hot Springers.<br /><br />By the way, did you know that there is no such word as &quot;Springers&quot;?<br /><br />Anyway Wiz, stay dressed in the right places.]]></description>
<dc:creator>Arizona Mike </dc:creator>
<category>Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California</category><pubDate>Fri, 26 Jul 2002 01:30:38 -0700</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: One More Chance </title><link>https://deepcreekhotsprings.net/dchs/forum/read.php?1,3139,3166#msg-3166</link><description><![CDATA[ I do not think it would be appropriate for Emmett Berg to do another article about Deep Creek. Like most of you, I thought the article was very slanted and did not paint a fair picture of all the dynamics involved. One of the biggest problems we face as collective supporters of DCHS will come from increased population pressures. Southern California will continue to attract millions of new residents in the next 20 years. Many of them will end up taking a trip to Deep Creek. They will need to be educated in environmental presrvation as well as the historical and spiritual perspectives of DCHS. I just don't think it is a wise idea to advertise DCHS too strongly right now to the masses. However, I see no problem in any of us E-mailing Emmett Berg and expressing our opinions about the article. His E-mail is <a href="mailto:&#101;&#116;&#98;&#64;&#106;&#111;&#117;&#114;&#110;&#97;&#108;&#105;&#115;&#116;&#46;&#99;&#111;&#109;">&#101;&#116;&#98;&#64;&#106;&#111;&#117;&#114;&#110;&#97;&#108;&#105;&#115;&#116;&#46;&#99;&#111;&#109;</a>. I think now our focus should continue to be on finalizing a name for the group and finalizing the Mission Statement, as well as working on the brochure content.]]></description>
<dc:creator>Paul P. </dc:creator>
<category>Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California</category><pubDate>Thu, 25 Jul 2002 23:09:39 -0700</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: One More Chance </title><link>https://deepcreekhotsprings.net/dchs/forum/read.php?1,3139,3163#msg-3163</link><description><![CDATA[ To AZ Mike:<br />Please do let us know if Mr. Berg wants to do another piece. Although a retractive article is not likely, and not likely to be desired by Mr. Berg or the Times, a different article is still possible. Or, Mr. Berg may be thinking of another article to be published in another publication.<br />On the other hand, one of your posts suggests that you yourself have an interest in people's stories. Please clarify this as I am confused. I would of course prefer to not see the place so publicised, but then it is listed and publicised already and not any secret. (I did learn about it shortly after arriving in the Inland Empire)]]></description>
<dc:creator>sycamore laughing </dc:creator>
<category>Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California</category><pubDate>Thu, 25 Jul 2002 20:18:32 -0700</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: One More Chance </title><link>https://deepcreekhotsprings.net/dchs/forum/read.php?1,3139,3162#msg-3162</link><description><![CDATA[ To Mr. Emmet Berg:<br /><br />As you can see by the above comments, we as a group have mixed feelings about publicity about DCHS. Perhaps that is why you got so little response when you first asked for people's stories. I hope you did not take my comments about your article in a personal way, as a criticism of yourself. If you do write about DCHS again, I hope that you will spend more time there as suggested by Paul.<br /><br />In some ways, any publicity is potentially bad news for the springs. Yet, even though less people will want to visit DCHS if they think it is some lawless wild-west type place, the people who will want to visit will be looking for that environment.<br /><br />This is why I am more concerned about your article than I would be about a positive article that drew larger crowds to the site. Even though increased usage is in itself bad, responsible usage can be hard to foster when people are drawn here for the &quot;wrong reasons.&quot;<br />If you've been reading recent postings, then you know that a group of people who post here have made some real progress towards forming a group whose main function will be to do mainly that: foster good attitudes.<br /><br />Miracles happen at and around DCHS. The creepy things that happen just get remembered longer.<br /><br />Ask for me at the springs if/when you visit. I am not too hard to find, even if you don't ask a sycamore tree. I&quot;ll be there around the 24th for the weekend, camping at Bowen and soaking during the daytimes.<br /><br />Peace.]]></description>
<dc:creator>sycamore laughing </dc:creator>
<category>Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California</category><pubDate>Thu, 25 Jul 2002 20:04:13 -0700</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: One More Chance </title><link>https://deepcreekhotsprings.net/dchs/forum/read.php?1,3139,3161#msg-3161</link><description><![CDATA[ EEk, I must be getting old. In that last post I'm talking about submitting the new story again and a few post above that I mention that perhaps its not a wise thing to do to advertise DCHS more. Its been a long day of phone calls and post here on the forum. Let me correct what I discussed in the previous post just above. I feel that from conversations with various DCHS concerned visitors that perhaps, we as a group should not go out of our way to advertise DCHS which I think another glowing postive story in the LA times would do. I know AZ wishes to show our special place in a positive light as we see it and only means well but as I think alot of us have noticed in recent years, the visitation is really increasing down at DCHS. I'll try to keep my brain on track :-)]]></description>
<dc:creator>Wizard</dc:creator>
<category>Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California</category><pubDate>Thu, 25 Jul 2002 19:53:07 -0700</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: One More Chance </title><link>https://deepcreekhotsprings.net/dchs/forum/read.php?1,3139,3160#msg-3160</link><description><![CDATA[ AZ, someone posting as Blusky in the next thread commenting on the subject matter in this thread mentioned that Mr. Berg is a freelance writter and what he puts together as a story has no guaruntee of being published. Also this person Blusky said that the papers most like would not do a story that could be considered a retraction of a previous story. I have no way of knowing if this would be true or not. It seems to me that MR. Berg should be contacted to see if he is even interested in doing another story about DCHS. I would like to do a story of my experience and feelings about DCHS but would like to wait to see what Mr. Berg says about his interest in this project and if he really thinks the times would do another story so quickly that may be seen as a retraction to the other story MR. Berg submitted. I'll be interested to here what MR. Berg says about all of this.]]></description>
<dc:creator>Wizard</dc:creator>
<category>Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California</category><pubDate>Thu, 25 Jul 2002 19:43:37 -0700</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: One More Chance </title><link>https://deepcreekhotsprings.net/dchs/forum/read.php?1,3139,3159#msg-3159</link><description><![CDATA[ to All;<br /><br />In the old days it was only word of mouth. paul.]]></description>
<dc:creator>paul </dc:creator>
<category>Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California</category><pubDate>Thu, 25 Jul 2002 19:34:39 -0700</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: One More Chance </title><link>https://deepcreekhotsprings.net/dchs/forum/read.php?1,3139,3158#msg-3158</link><description><![CDATA[ Wizard;<br />thank you for seeing the light. Paul.]]></description>
<dc:creator>paul </dc:creator>
<category>Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California</category><pubDate>Thu, 25 Jul 2002 19:32:12 -0700</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: One More Chance </title><link>https://deepcreekhotsprings.net/dchs/forum/read.php?1,3139,3154#msg-3154</link><description><![CDATA[ Okay so far folks! Keep the stories or the things that are on your mind of DCHS coming to me! I truely appreciate it!!<br /><br />I personally want to know and hear for myself as I am sure you guy's feel the same also. We may all learn something here from this if I can only get enough input. I also plan to ask Mike Castro as well. If Katrina / Wm / Rick Webmaster want to say a few words, I would also appreciate it as well.<br /><br />I will try to share all of it with you, which includes my feelings or story of DCHS to. But please give your input! Dig it out from within you. Just tell me what DCHS means to you.<br /><br />I will give some update on what is given to me, say in couple of days. I am truely interested!<br /><br />Thanks to all so far, ........Arizona]]></description>
<dc:creator>Arizona Mike </dc:creator>
<category>Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California</category><pubDate>Thu, 25 Jul 2002 19:16:55 -0700</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: One More Chance </title><link>https://deepcreekhotsprings.net/dchs/forum/read.php?1,3139,3149#msg-3149</link><description><![CDATA[ In thinking here for a bit after doing my last post it comes to mind that I have heard a lot of folks talk about the idea that this article that MR. Berg wrote was a form of advertisement for DCHS. Many of us felt that DCHS was put in a negative light that did not truly reflect the real nature of the place. Now if another story was done by MR. Berg, wouldn't that be further advertisement and in doing a story that showed DCHS to be a positive rewarding place to visit wouldn't that just add to the population down there which inherently creates problems. Now I know there are some in our group that would say that I'm one to talk about advertisement in veiw that I provided information about the open routes in various post I did here on the forum. I can say at least this, as of the present and by my experience the usage of the open routes for access to DCHS is very limited and I don't think that will change too much being that the areas of the open routes are remote and the recent shootings at the JF3 parking area I feel has affected peoples interest in using the routes for access. Since those shootings I have not seen any cars parked there and I have been parking elsewhere. I have in talking to differant people begun to return to my earlier feelings before I began becoming involved with this forum that any type of &quot; advertisement &quot; will inevitably draw more visitors. Each person will have to decide where they feel its best to draw the line and basically various forms of advertisement that have come before like books, internet information etc. cannot be changed. We cannot ultimatly stop other visitors who will choose to share information by the various mediums but perhaps it may be best to take on a policy within our group to try and limit the ways, we at least, will expose DCHS to further visitation. It is the publics right to visit these forest areas but that doesn't mean we, as a group, are obligated to point the way and provide information. AZ I like the idea of representing DCHS in a good light, the place deserves it. I just thought the ideas I mentioned above may be something for us to consider.]]></description>
<dc:creator>Wizard</dc:creator>
<category>Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California</category><pubDate>Thu, 25 Jul 2002 14:32:42 -0700</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: One More Chance </title><link>https://deepcreekhotsprings.net/dchs/forum/read.php?1,3139,3148#msg-3148</link><description><![CDATA[ AZ, Why don't you contact MR. Berg and see if he actually would do another story based on information by those of us who feel it has been portrayed in the wrong way in Mr. Berg's first story. I would be glad to do a story describing my experience of DCHS but would rather do it when it is confirmed that MR. Berg will definitly do a story. I will be watching to see what you will find out from him.]]></description>
<dc:creator>Wizard</dc:creator>
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<title>Re: One More Chance </title><link>https://deepcreekhotsprings.net/dchs/forum/read.php?1,3139,3146#msg-3146</link><description><![CDATA[ One more chance... please that's all I want! Words that we have all probably used at least once in our lives.<br />OK here it is.<br />Being a Native American, Deep Creek Hot Springs holds a special place within me. Being there puts me back in the days when only the indians came here for gatherings and ceremonies. There is a camp site up stream about 1 mile. There are holes in the rocks where native women ground seeds. And at the springs if you look around real hard you can find chips of obsidian (not a local stone) where Indians made arrowheads and points for their spears. Yes the springs has a lot of good history too. I just would not like to see the place overrun by a lot of &quot;wanna be&quot; archeologists, and on the same note I would not want to see it overrun by urbanites who don't have any respect for where they live or where they go.<br />Please one more chance, Mr.Berg; if you do another article do not add maps, after all the harder it is to get here the longer it will last.<br />Suggestion , before your next article please visit the springs again and talk to the people and get their feelings, walk around, go up and down the trails, look at the place with the eye of an Indan and see for yourself how wonderfull this place really is, and I truly believe that you will have a more positive image in your mind.]]></description>
<dc:creator>paul </dc:creator>
<category>Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California</category><pubDate>Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:58:41 -0700</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: One More Chance </title><link>https://deepcreekhotsprings.net/dchs/forum/read.php?1,3139,3144#msg-3144</link><description><![CDATA[ O.K....I'll bite on that one!! As a young woman I went a few times to clothing optional places, but not to deep creek. I liked being nude, but felt that I was the center of too much unwanted attention, so I quit going. After I moved to this area, I learned from word of mouth about this clothing optional place called Deep Creek Hot Springs. I heard good things about it...that many good people went there and that it had been a sacred place to the Native Americans. I wanted to go, but was leery of going alone for my first time, so I put it off. I tried to arrange to go with people I knew when they were going, but it never seemed to work out.<br />Ten years slipped by, and I am no longer young and not as concerned about unwanted attention. Then I found out that my dear friend goes to the springs regularly. I went once with another friend, and after that started visiting regularly with my best friend. Now we've gone and fallen in love, can you imagine?<br />Once I had been to the springs just one time, I found that the things I had heard from my friends and acquaintences were true. Oh, DCHS gets its share of wierdos and perverts I am sure, but the community of regulars who visit the site help to keep it clean in more ways than just carrying out trash. I could see right away that I wouldn't have had to worry about the kinds of attention that turned me away from nudism many years ago, and I feel that would be true even for younger, more &quot;attractive&quot; women as well.<br />Deep Creek means to me a place to finally be able to enjoy nature in the freedom of nudity.<br /><br />DCHS is a sacred place. Native Americans knew that, and I have learned much about wisdom from Native Americans. To me, it is personally sacred because of the bond between the site, my partner, and myself. My partner has stood by my side while I faced my deepest fears and took control finally of my life. But that is another story.<br />DCHS is home. The people who respect her and love her are my family. The sycamore trees seem to greet me on my visits. The rocks stand as witness to miracles.<br />I am surprised that anyone can visit here and fail to understand respect. Frequent visitors will most often learn it or leave.<br />When we take off our clothing, we take off all those status symbols as well and become equals.]]></description>
<dc:creator>sycamore laughing </dc:creator>
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<title>Re: One More Chance </title><link>https://deepcreekhotsprings.net/dchs/forum/read.php?1,3139,3143#msg-3143</link><description><![CDATA[ Wiz, Didn't contact anyone yet. I am willing to collect some stories from people to present them to Mr. Berg. It's naturally up to him whether he would want to run another story or not.<br /><br />If I get enough input, well then I'll give him a story of own as well to. I'm just willing to provide some positive results for this hot spring. Those who were so vocal and displayed some anger about the recent story in the LA times, may now have chance to get it off their chest.<br /><br />There's no time limit, but if we'd like another story, then let's present one to him and see if he'll do an add-on story.<br /><br />anyone?]]></description>
<dc:creator>Arizona Mike </dc:creator>
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<title>Re: One More Chance </title><link>https://deepcreekhotsprings.net/dchs/forum/read.php?1,3139,3140#msg-3140</link><description><![CDATA[ AZ, does this mean that you have already contacted Emmett Berg and he has offered to do another story on DCHS? Also what is the date these stories need to be submitted by? If another story is a possibility then it would be an excellent chance for us to tell our story of the positive things we enjoy at DCHS!]]></description>
<dc:creator>Wizard</dc:creator>
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<title>One More Chance </title><link>https://deepcreekhotsprings.net/dchs/forum/read.php?1,3139,3139#msg-3139</link><description><![CDATA[ What does Deep Creek Hot Springs mean to you?<br /><br />Post your response on the forum. If you do not want your response openly seen on this forum, then email it to my personal email address shown.<br /><br />Mike Castro, Emmett Berg and I, (Arizona Mike) will get together to produce, what Deep Creek Hot Springs means to you. We've seen Mr. Emmett's recent L.A. Times article and many of you were unhappy of what was reported. It's not too late to change some it. It can be re-repoted.<br /><br />YOU HAVE ONE MORE CHANCE.]]></description>
<dc:creator>Arizona Mike </dc:creator>
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