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<title>What Did AZ Mike Overhear and Who Said It </title><link>https://deepcreekhotsprings.net/dchs/forum/read.php?1,10135,10204#msg-10204</link><description><![CDATA[ Isn't anyone else interested? According to sycamorelaughing something happened at &quot;Rock Springs&quot; (mojavegreen's ranch) which caused Mike Castro's infamous criminal threats that have become such an intergal part of FOJF's &quot;evidence supporting new laws against rouge OHV riders&quot;. LaughingBear used Mike Castro's infamous criminal threats to justify his many FOJF patrols and [gunplay?]. What could it have been that was &quot;overheard&quot; by AZ Mike? Even more interesting is - who said it?<br /><br />If AZ Mike refuses to identify the person, why dosen't the person themself post what they think happened. Sycamorelaughing refers to &quot;either party's words&quot;. Who was the other party?<br /><br />]]></description>
<dc:creator>katrina island</dc:creator>
<category>Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California</category><pubDate>Fri, 04 Feb 2005 20:30:27 -0800</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: Interrogatory Question Number Two </title><link>https://deepcreekhotsprings.net/dchs/forum/read.php?1,10135,10200#msg-10200</link><description><![CDATA[ Oh am I being interrogated now?<br /><br />I bet Ol Katrina has the answer already and just playing games as usual :&gt;)<br /><br />How's ol jobe doing by the way, he seems to have disappeared from the radar screen as some others have lately.<br /><br />I bet he doesn't have access to a computer.]]></description>
<dc:creator>Arizona Mike</dc:creator>
<category>Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California</category><pubDate>Fri, 04 Feb 2005 15:47:03 -0800</pubDate></item>
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<dc:creator>katrina island</dc:creator>
<category>Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California</category><pubDate>Fri, 04 Feb 2005 10:17:48 -0800</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: Interrogatories Propounded to AZMike </title><link>https://deepcreekhotsprings.net/dchs/forum/read.php?1,10135,10196#msg-10196</link><description><![CDATA[ Why don't you just answer the question, Mike?]]></description>
<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
<category>Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California</category><pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2005 18:34:13 -0800</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: Interrogatories Propounded to AZMike </title><link>https://deepcreekhotsprings.net/dchs/forum/read.php?1,10135,10194#msg-10194</link><description><![CDATA[ ]]></description>
<dc:creator>Arizona Mike</dc:creator>
<category>Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California</category><pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2005 16:16:19 -0800</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: Hesperia on Offroaders </title><link>https://deepcreekhotsprings.net/dchs/forum/read.php?1,10135,10193#msg-10193</link><description><![CDATA[ Well Az, I am a member of DCV, because I choose to spend time with this group, and how I spend my other time of course is up to me. You &quot; were &quot; a member of DCV, and of FOJF, now you are spending more time with Mike Castro, and your little dog Puff, thats your choice. I told you before, as you remember in an e-mail, that all you usually do when you come to this forum is argue and tell people what they should do, and as everyone can see, your postings prove that on a regular basis.]]></description>
<dc:creator>Wizard</dc:creator>
<category>Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California</category><pubDate>Wed, 02 Feb 2005 21:59:56 -0800</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: Hesperia on Offroaders </title><link>https://deepcreekhotsprings.net/dchs/forum/read.php?1,10135,10192#msg-10192</link><description><![CDATA[ Thanks for that info Paul :-)]]></description>
<dc:creator>Wizard</dc:creator>
<category>Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California</category><pubDate>Wed, 02 Feb 2005 21:42:19 -0800</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: Hesperia on Offroaders </title><link>https://deepcreekhotsprings.net/dchs/forum/read.php?1,10135,10191#msg-10191</link><description><![CDATA[ Rick and Wizard, The Mojave River Dam was authorized by act of<br />Congress, Flood Control Act of 1960, Public Law 86-645, 86th Congress,<br />2d Session, approved 14 July 1960. Construction of the dam began in<br />March 1968. Work was completed in May 1971. The cost of the project<br />was $15,667,800.]]></description>
<dc:creator>Paul P.</dc:creator>
<category>Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California</category><pubDate>Wed, 02 Feb 2005 17:51:30 -0800</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: Hesperia on Offroaders </title><link>https://deepcreekhotsprings.net/dchs/forum/read.php?1,10135,10184#msg-10184</link><description><![CDATA[ Mike, are you here to participate or is it just to pick fights?]]></description>
<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
<category>Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California</category><pubDate>Wed, 02 Feb 2005 12:31:22 -0800</pubDate></item>
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<title>Interrogatories Propounded to AZMike </title><link>https://deepcreekhotsprings.net/dchs/forum/read.php?1,10135,10183#msg-10183</link><description><![CDATA[ 1. What happened about those Mike Castro criminal threats over the J1299 trail that you posted on this forum last year?<br /><br />]]></description>
<dc:creator>katrina island</dc:creator>
<category>Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California</category><pubDate>Wed, 02 Feb 2005 12:28:36 -0800</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: BLM lands in Juniper Flats </title><link>https://deepcreekhotsprings.net/dchs/forum/read.php?1,10135,10182#msg-10182</link><description><![CDATA[ ]]></description>
<dc:creator>Arizona Mike</dc:creator>
<category>Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California</category><pubDate>Wed, 02 Feb 2005 10:07:01 -0800</pubDate></item>
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<dc:creator>Arizona Mike</dc:creator>
<category>Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California</category><pubDate>Wed, 02 Feb 2005 10:05:38 -0800</pubDate></item>
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<dc:creator>Arizona Mike</dc:creator>
<category>Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California</category><pubDate>Wed, 02 Feb 2005 10:03:19 -0800</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: Hesperia on Offroaders </title><link>https://deepcreekhotsprings.net/dchs/forum/read.php?1,10135,10178#msg-10178</link><description><![CDATA[ Wizard wrote:<br /><br />&gt; Rick, just wondering, around when was that dam built?<br /><br />That I don't know. It was circa 1961 when I camped there.]]></description>
<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
<category>Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California</category><pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2005 21:55:22 -0800</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: BLM lands in Juniper Flats </title><link>https://deepcreekhotsprings.net/dchs/forum/read.php?1,10135,10177#msg-10177</link><description><![CDATA[ If a trail in Juniper Flats is posted open, then it is a legal route of travel for a motorized vehicle. I have'nt seen J1299 posted as open. Just a few red closed markers that have been vandalized. We all know the story by now and there is a difference of opinion on J1299. Of course I have a personal intrest in this issue as it affects the quality of life in the area. I kinda like my &quot;looney character&quot; neighbors too.....they are really nice people and fun to hang out with. Someday I hope Arizona Mike finds some peace within himself. Life is too short to waste on being angry all the time. I think we will continue to enjoy our land regardless if J1299 is open or closed. The trees are growing and life is good!]]></description>
<dc:creator>LaughingBear</dc:creator>
<category>Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California</category><pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2005 21:41:36 -0800</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: Hesperia on Offroaders </title><link>https://deepcreekhotsprings.net/dchs/forum/read.php?1,10135,10176#msg-10176</link><description><![CDATA[ The route proliferation is growing and J1299 now has deep erosion in places. The FOJF is a non profit group. Our relationship with the BLM includes a volunteer aggreement with several individual members. We support responsible recreation of our public lands. Our reports have been generating great intrest and yes, the rider on the orange KTM with a white helmut was observed showing the way for two other riders heading east on J1299. They were observed staying on this trail which is now burned to the point of being unridable in places from erosion. What is more interesting is the discovery of two boards with nails burried in sand on trails yesterday by some of our volunteers out hiking. These were immediatly removed and reported to the BLM. It was not on J1299 but elsewhere in Juniper Flats. Nevertheless, this generates much intrest and one must ask the questions. Who is responsible? And why? Does Arizona Mike have any answers?]]></description>
<dc:creator>LaughingBear</dc:creator>
<category>Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California</category><pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2005 21:08:43 -0800</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: Hesperia on Offroaders </title><link>https://deepcreekhotsprings.net/dchs/forum/read.php?1,10135,10174#msg-10174</link><description><![CDATA[ AZ, the uncontrolled motorcycle travel in the Juniper Flats area, and around the northside of DCHS is a continueing, and increasing problem. I can sympathize with Dean and Lauging Bear's concerns about this problem as it relates to thier properties. I do what I can to help the DCV group efforts related to DCHS. That is what I have time for. FOJF represents another group of concerned citizens doing what they can to preserve the Juniper Flats area, a worthy goal also. The truth is, a certain amount of the motorcycle riders who go to these areas, go where they want across the land. It does not matter to them if there is a designated trail, or not.]]></description>
<dc:creator>Wizard</dc:creator>
<category>Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California</category><pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2005 20:05:02 -0800</pubDate></item>
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<dc:creator>Arizona Mike</dc:creator>
<category>Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California</category><pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2005 16:35:03 -0800</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: Hesperia on Offroaders </title><link>https://deepcreekhotsprings.net/dchs/forum/read.php?1,10135,10170#msg-10170</link><description><![CDATA[ AZ, interesting to see you quite comfortable now with trail J1299. Seems to me it was not that long ago when you used to stay at the Rock Springs Ranch, hanging out with Sycamore and paul, big buds with Dean, being also involved with FOJF and thier efforts, that you sided with Laughing Bear, FOJF and others that various trails, specifically trail J1299 was not benificial. Also back then you were not exactly describing Mike Castro and his other rider friends as &quot; respectable riders &quot;, no, not describing him like that at all. Perhaps you have forgotten, now that your on the other side of the fence, again.]]></description>
<dc:creator>Wizard</dc:creator>
<category>Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California</category><pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2005 10:31:11 -0800</pubDate></item>
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<dc:creator>Arizona Mike</dc:creator>
<category>Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California</category><pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2005 09:49:09 -0800</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: Hesperia on Offroaders </title><link>https://deepcreekhotsprings.net/dchs/forum/read.php?1,10135,10163#msg-10163</link><description><![CDATA[ Rick, just wondering, around when was that dam built? I seen some old photos taken down around D street in victorville when the whole place down there got flooded because there was no dam at that time.]]></description>
<dc:creator>Wizard</dc:creator>
<category>Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California</category><pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:58:44 -0800</pubDate></item>
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<title>What Is DR#....... </title><link>https://deepcreekhotsprings.net/dchs/forum/read.php?1,10135,10162#msg-10162</link><description><![CDATA[ ......?.....<br /><br />]]></description>
<dc:creator>katrina island</dc:creator>
<category>Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California</category><pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:18:59 -0800</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: Hesperia on Offroaders </title><link>https://deepcreekhotsprings.net/dchs/forum/read.php?1,10135,10159#msg-10159</link><description><![CDATA[ Dear Katrina.....our reports go out to a number of people on a monthly basis including BLM officials, Congressman Lewis, Supervisor Postmus, the SBCSO, The state OHV comission and others. Our list is growing as public officials keep asking to be included. There is a huge escalating problem in Juniper Flats. On Saturday I observed from a distance illegal target shooters with rifles shooting without a hill for a backdrop while 3 illegal motorcycle riders were riding across their line of fire out in the ACEC. Both groups were oblivious of the other. The FOJF is a non profit group dedicated to promoting responsible recreation on our public lands. Please join our efforts and be our friend.]]></description>
<dc:creator>LaughingBear</dc:creator>
<category>Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California</category><pubDate>Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:50:18 -0800</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: Hesperia on Offroaders </title><link>https://deepcreekhotsprings.net/dchs/forum/read.php?1,10135,10155#msg-10155</link><description><![CDATA[ Wizard wrote:<br /><br />&gt; I remember about 35 years ago camping with my dad in a USFS<br />&gt; campground that existed then in back of the dam.<br /><br />I remember camping when there was no dam there at all.]]></description>
<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
<category>Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California</category><pubDate>Sat, 29 Jan 2005 17:42:10 -0800</pubDate></item>
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<title>Not Reported To Sheriff, Was It? </title><link>https://deepcreekhotsprings.net/dchs/forum/read.php?1,10135,10154#msg-10154</link><description><![CDATA[ LaughingBear laments on this string about &quot;deliberate trespass onto private properties&quot;. Then LaughingBear tells everyone here how the &quot;occurrences are documented with photos and reported&quot;......reported to who?<br /><br />The county Sheriff has jurisdiction over trespass on private property.<br /><br />]]></description>
<dc:creator>katrina island</dc:creator>
<category>Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California</category><pubDate>Fri, 28 Jan 2005 23:12:22 -0800</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: Hesperia on Offroaders </title><link>https://deepcreekhotsprings.net/dchs/forum/read.php?1,10135,10153#msg-10153</link><description><![CDATA[ The picnic tables all got burned. I remember seeing one fool sitting in a lawn chair get bounced out of the back of a pick up truck in the river. After flying through the air, he landed chair and all on his a$$ in the river. He got up proudly and screamed &quot;I didnt spill my beer!!!!!&quot; I was Glamis style chaos and eventualy it all got closed.]]></description>
<dc:creator>LaughingBear</dc:creator>
<category>Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California</category><pubDate>Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:50:41 -0800</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: Hesperia on Offroaders </title><link>https://deepcreekhotsprings.net/dchs/forum/read.php?1,10135,10152#msg-10152</link><description><![CDATA[ I remember about 35 years ago camping with my dad in a USFS campground that existed then in back of the dam. We would drive down Deep Creek Rd to the dam then up the spillway ( no big boulders blocking its entrance then ) to the otherside to this campground. It was a very nice place with a big long pool in Deep Creek just up stream. As Rick says the place got hammered by trash, graffiti, and other abuse, sad to see, and now the area is closed.]]></description>
<dc:creator>Wizard</dc:creator>
<category>Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California</category><pubDate>Fri, 28 Jan 2005 20:07:12 -0800</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: Hesperia on Offroaders </title><link>https://deepcreekhotsprings.net/dchs/forum/read.php?1,10135,10146#msg-10146</link><description><![CDATA[ Paul P. wrote:<br /><br />&gt; Even more important than the development of new laws is the<br />&gt; enforcement of existing laws.<br /><br />Yeah, look what happened to the spillway due to lack of enforcement.]]></description>
<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
<category>Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California</category><pubDate>Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:56:59 -0800</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: Hesperia on Offroaders </title><link>https://deepcreekhotsprings.net/dchs/forum/read.php?1,10135,10142#msg-10142</link><description><![CDATA[ Even more important than the development of new laws is the enforcement of existing laws.]]></description>
<dc:creator>Paul P.</dc:creator>
<category>Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California</category><pubDate>Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:14:50 -0800</pubDate></item>
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<title>Re: Hesperia on Offroaders </title><link>https://deepcreekhotsprings.net/dchs/forum/read.php?1,10135,10136#msg-10136</link><description><![CDATA[ Unfortunatly for those who enjoy riding on public lands in a responsible mannor, rouge dirt bikers who ignore the law are responsible for these restrictions. Since the sport is unable to regulate itself, we are seeing some new laws enacted. In Juniper Flats this week, this rouge element was responsible for more deliberate tresspass onto private properties. They demonstrated their disregard for others by targeting no tresspassing signs for burning new trails across unblemished land. As these occurances are documented with photos and reported, more evidence supporting new laws against rouge OHV riders gathers. They have only themselves to blame.]]></description>
<dc:creator>LaughingBear</dc:creator>
<category>Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California</category><pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:51:52 -0800</pubDate></item>
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<title>Hesperia on Offroaders </title><link>https://deepcreekhotsprings.net/dchs/forum/read.php?1,10135,10135#msg-10135</link><description><![CDATA[ New ordinances passed concerning off road activity.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.hesperiastar.com/story.php?id=P585_0_1_0_C" target="_blank" >http://www.hesperiastar.com/story.php?id=P585_0_1_0_C</a><br />]]></description>
<dc:creator>katrina island</dc:creator>
<category>Deep Creek Hot Springs, Apple Valley, California</category><pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:16:06 -0800</pubDate></item>
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